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Captain Tammo · June 29, 2011, 05:22:34 PM

hey guys, I've been wondering, what's the history behind the ditch in front of redwall?

I'm thinking it was from building and landscaping parts of the abbey?

What do you think?

Osu · June 29, 2011, 05:45:24 PM

I always thought it was for drainage purposes... like, when it rains a lot, the ditch is probably filled with water.

HeadInAnotherGalaxy · June 29, 2011, 06:19:43 PM

Quote from: Osu on June 29, 2011, 05:45:24 PM
I always thought it was for drainage purposes... like, when it rains a lot, the ditch is probably filled with water.

Another reason to keep the dibbuns inside. Otherwise they might decide to get barrels or something and sail in the water.

Osu · June 29, 2011, 06:43:27 PM

Quote from: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on June 29, 2011, 06:19:43 PMAnother reason to keep the dibbuns inside. Otherwise they might decide to get barrels or something and sail in the water.

Haha, that'd make a cute subplot. Some dibbuns sail down the ditch one day and have to be tracked down. Adventure afoot! I love it.

Redwall Musician · June 30, 2011, 07:07:42 PM

I wonder about the sparrows. They don't come in any other books after Mattimeo. Did the sparras leave? Did they die out?

The Dibbuns are very naughty. Don't go to the ditch!

Tiria Wildlough · July 01, 2011, 06:11:01 AM

Quote from: Redwall Musician on June 30, 2011, 07:07:42 PM
I wonder about the sparrows. They don't come in any other books after Mattimeo. Did the sparras leave? Did they die out?

The Dibbuns are very naughty. Don't go to the ditch!

Remember? Their Queen and most of the others died, so I think they must have died out or something.

Tiria Wildlough · July 01, 2011, 06:13:07 AM

Did you know that Redwall Abbey was built over Castle Kotir? It's in The Long Patrol.

Osu · July 01, 2011, 08:22:25 PM

Quote from: Tiria Wildlough on July 01, 2011, 06:13:07 AM
Did you know that Redwall Abbey was built over Castle Kotir? It's in The Long Patrol.

Yes, now you mention it - was there a ditch mentioned in Mossflower? That might explain it. Perhaps it was a moat of sorts for the old castle, or... or something?

Tiria Wildlough · July 02, 2011, 08:34:06 AM

I don't know. I'll have to re-read Mossflower.

Captain Tammo · July 02, 2011, 06:22:25 PM

Quote from: Osu on June 29, 2011, 05:45:24 PM
I always thought it was for drainage purposes... like, when it rains a lot, the ditch is probably filled with water.

That could be true, but then why wouldn't the ditch be all the way up and down the path instead of just by redwall?
Maybe (and this is a long shot) but in The Long Patrol , it said that after Kotir was destroyed, most of the area where Redwall was was a swamp. Maybe parts of the castle fell and made a big hole in the ground that later hardened and the ditch. Again, probably not true BUT a possibility.

Also, does anybody remember that mutant-rat-like thing in Mossflower ? I forget it's name but it fought a pike and died. Anyway, it lived beneath Kotir in an underground pond/SPRING. When Kotir was destroyed and Redwall was built, an underground spring became the abbey pond. If you connect the two it makes sense... Kinda creepy though that and murderous mutant-rat lived where the abbey pond is and dibbuns play in it. Just thought that part was interesting...

Osu · July 03, 2011, 03:47:34 AM

That's an interesting theory! And I'd forgotten about that rat-thing, I must re-read that book... aww shoot, I have to re-read them all. XD

Aaaand yes... this is kind of creepy now that you mention it. =/

AakashB · July 03, 2011, 06:02:05 AM

Very interesting theories. I had never thought about the ditch that much.

sabretache5611 · July 04, 2011, 11:58:53 PM

the ditch seems to have been there...as far as I know, since Legend of Luke so it was there at Redwall's founding, but not before Kotir....hmmm....really interesting...my personal opinion is that it was mouse/creature made not a side-effect of Kotir's destruction....

DanielofRedwall · July 05, 2011, 06:11:59 AM

Quote from: Captain Tammo on July 02, 2011, 06:22:25 PM
Quote from: Osu on June 29, 2011, 05:45:24 PM
I always thought it was for drainage purposes... like, when it rains a lot, the ditch is probably filled with water.
Also, does anybody remember that mutant-rat-like thing in Mossflower ? I forget it's name but it fought a pike and died. Anyway, it lived beneath Kotir in an underground pond/SPRING. When Kotir was destroyed and Redwall was built, an underground spring became the abbey pond. If you connect the two it makes sense... Kinda creepy though that and murderous mutant-rat lived where the abbey pond is and dibbuns play in it. Just thought that part was interesting...

It was called the Gloomer. That thing was so creepy!

Taggerung_of_Redwall · July 06, 2011, 03:08:16 AM

There was no tunnel the Gloomer used. It was taken out by Kotir's gate to the area near the otters' hideout. That is, there was no tunnel that was known of, but there's no reason to think there was.

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