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Redwall Musician · June 16, 2011, 08:51:31 PM

I have one question about the whole Redwall series. What happened to Martin's shield and armor? After the time of Matthias, the both seemed to have vanished. Did I miss something about this? I always question this. I personally think Matthias re-hid them. Anyone has some thoughts about this?

martins#1fan · June 16, 2011, 08:53:13 PM

I've puzzled over that too, but I'm not sure.

The Lady Shael · June 16, 2011, 09:03:32 PM

@martins#1fan: Slow down on the posting for a bit! This isn't a game to get your name on the end of every topic in the forum.

Quality over quantity.

Mariel · June 16, 2011, 11:26:05 PM

I think they are probably used by all the characters who use Martin's sword, but they aren''t mentioned.

martins#1fan · June 17, 2011, 03:35:01 PM

@ladyshale I can do what I want to do, It's a free country!

martins#1fan · June 17, 2011, 03:36:19 PM

Quote from: Mariel on June 16, 2011, 11:26:05 PM
I think they are probably used by all the characters who use Martin's sword, but they aren''t mentioned.

Really? do you think so?

Redwall Musician · June 17, 2011, 03:38:21 PM

I'm not sure about that Mariel. Like in Rackety Tam, Tam used Martin's sword but his own shield. But you never know...

The Lady Shael · June 17, 2011, 04:18:25 PM

Quote from: martins#1fan on June 17, 2011, 03:35:01 PM
@ladyshale I can do what I want to do, It's a free country!

The internet isn't a country, but fine, do what you want.

Matthias720 · June 17, 2011, 09:27:29 PM

Quote from: Redwall Musician on June 16, 2011, 08:51:31 PM
I have one question about the whole Redwall series. What happened to Martin's shield and armor? After the time of Matthias, the both seemed to have vanished. Did I miss something about this? I always question this. I personally think Matthias re-hid them. Anyone has some thoughts about this?

I never really gave it much thought. In the TV show, Cornflower and Silent Sam found the armor in attic somewhere, but the books don't really specify where Matthias's armor came from. Maybe the shrews lent it to him, or Captain Snow gave it as a parting gift. Wherever it came from though, we never hear about it again.

...

Oh great, now I can't stop thinking about it. ><

Tiria Wildlough · July 04, 2011, 07:16:49 AM

I think that it makes sense that Matthias would re-hide them. I certainly can't think of anything else.
Or maybe they were just kept for those who needed them.

Osu · July 04, 2011, 04:15:57 PM

They might have been destroyed or rusted away or something like that... they weren't made special like the sword was, so...

Redwall Musician · July 04, 2011, 04:22:26 PM

I don't think it would rust away. If it were to rust, why didn't it before Matthias found it?

sabretache5611 · July 06, 2011, 07:56:23 AM

Quote from: Osu on July 04, 2011, 04:15:57 PM
They might have been destroyed or rusted away or something like that... they weren't made special like the sword was, so...

look im purely speculating, but it seems that jacques eventually took the redwall series away from it being centred on weapons + armour of martin, and more focused on spirit and legacy of martin. At Pearls of Lutra, only sword mentioned and stories were quite focused on abbey warriors (Look at Triss, rakkety tam, loamhedge, taggerung, Marlfox. the long patrol is an exception as Arven got only minor role) until High Rhulain in which the focus on the abbey warrior and martin's sword immediately diminished. In doomwyte, eulalia and Sable Quean, martin's sword is mentioned, but not really focused on an abbey warrior wielding martin's sword, (Laird Bowlaynee is given the sword, but the plot focus isn't really on him). In the time prior to Matthias and after Mossflower, only the sword was mentioned, these books were published after Mattimeo. The books in this period also had great focus on martin's sword, (Mariel, Salamandastrom).

Basically all the books that mention martin's sword, shield and armour were published early on, but later the focus on the shield and armour disappeared and by high rhulain, the focus on Martin's sword had waned. Its as if Jacques decided in the later books that the sword wasn't so important as Martin's legacy and spirit, which never did disappear. (or at least in all the books i've read, which excludes only The Rogue Crew)

am i making any sense???

Osu · July 07, 2011, 03:52:22 PM

You're making perfect sense and I agree. While I was reading Sable Quean I actually wondered about that - it seemed like the sword played hardly any part at all. Same for the Rogue Crew. I was a little disappointed because it seems like such an important part of the series.

Icefire · July 07, 2011, 05:30:38 PM

Yeah, that makes sense. I do miss the sword though...

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