Overly powerful woodlanders...

[Starla1431]

Hello Redwall fans!

I'm new here and have been read some of the Redwall stories. I'm not sure if this topic goes here though, but anyway...  I really like the books and such but there's one thing that annoys me... Does anyone else think that the woodlanders are way too strong? Ya know, the badgers, mice, otter, vole and the like. I'm almost done reading Mariel of Redwall and I don't like the fact that Brian makes the woodlanders soooo powerful and almost immortal.

[WildDoogyPlumm]

Occasionally, some characters seem to me to be too strong.  Mostly, though, you can tell they're not "invincible".  Plenty die, especially among the Long Patrol. 
Also, are you reading the books in order?  Because if you are, the fact that characters can die becomes more and more apparent the farther you read.

[Starla1431]

Yes some do die. But I just think Brian can sometimes get carried away and makes the hero a little too strong and the villians sometimes weak.

No I'm not reading them in order. 

[Shadowed One]

If you read Rakkety Tam, you'll see that the good isn't always more powerful than the evil. Also, Brian wanted to make good, strong heroes that kids could look up too. Having a bunch of super easy to defeat heroes who lose all the time is never very interesting.

[Starla1431]

I've read Rakkety Tam and I liked it. Books like Outcast of Redwall, Doomwyte, and some others I like that don't have a very powerful hero.

[Rusvul]

If you read Rakkety Tam, you'll see that the good isn't always more powerful than the evil. Also, Brian wanted to make good, strong heroes that kids could look up too. Having a bunch of super easy to defeat heroes who lose all the time is never very interesting.

Heroes that win every single battle are just as uninteresting as heroes who lose a lot. Also, the losing side doesn't have to be boring, Avatar: The Last Airbender is a good example of this.

[Tam and Martin]

Sometimes that is the case though a good amount do die.

[Shadowed One]

But if the heroes weren't more powerful than the villains, how would they defeat them? I have no problem with villains being more powerful at first, but by the end the good should have won and the villains should be defeated.

[The Shade]

But if the heroes weren't more powerful than the villains, how would they defeat them? I have no problem with villains being more powerful at first, but by the end the good should have won and the villains should be defeated.

Like in the book Rakkety Tam, Gulo was way more powerful the Tam, yet Tam killed him more with chance than skill. It isn't always plain combat that brings the victory.

[Ungatt Trunn]

Winners: Any Badgers who live in Mossflower.

[Dannflower Reguba]

But if the heroes weren't more powerful than the villains, how would they defeat them? I have no problem with villains being more powerful at first, but by the end the good should have won and the villains should be defeated.

Like in the book Rakkety Tam, Gulo was way more powerful the Tam, yet Tam killed him more with chance than skill. It isn't always plain combat that brings the victory.

Actually, it was by Martin's guidance to sharpen the shields rim as well as his superior control and level-headedness. Gulo was a savage who knew nothing besides brute strength, that's all he ever needed, but Tam had the skill and capability to take down a foe that was by all means physically superior.

[The Shade]

Actually, it was by Martin's guidance to sharpen the shields rim as well as his superior control and level-headedness. Gulo was a savage who knew nothing besides brute strength, that's all he ever needed, but Tam had the skill and capability to take down a foe that was by all means physically superior.

Oh, I forgot 'bout that. Well, it doesn't really matter, because everyone knew Tam was going to defeat Gulo anyway. What I would have liked to see is a book where the villain would actually win. Kill the "hero". And then appear in the next book, and then maybe get killed. It was definitely break the mold of that stereotype. 

[Dannflower Reguba]

Actually, it was by Martin's guidance to sharpen the shields rim as well as his superior control and level-headedness. Gulo was a savage who knew nothing besides brute strength, that's all he ever needed, but Tam had the skill and capability to take down a foe that was by all means physically superior.

Oh, I forgot 'bout that. Well, it doesn't really matter, because everyone knew Tam was going to defeat Gulo anyway. What I would have liked to see is a book where the villain would actually win. Kill the "hero". And then appear in the next book, and then maybe get killed. It was definitely break the mold of that stereotype. 

But then the Hero is wasted. What villain could ever be worth a hero? The point of the hero is the villain, not vice-versa, the hero would not be needed otherwise and if you kill the entire point of the book, then you have literally one of the worst reads in history. What if George Lucas had tried that? Luke fights the Emperor, Luke dies, galaxy is ruined. It's the same thing with these books, if the hero can't defeat the villain, than the world is doomed. A new book would have to bring in a new hero, and by the time he could feasibly be cultivated into something worthy of fighting the villain, the villain is an old wreck and the story is ruined.

[The Shade]

Well, maybe not the hero dying, but pleeaase! Can a villain just have a victory?! 

[Dannflower Reguba]

Well, maybe not the hero dying, but pleeaase! Can a villain just have a victory?! 

Cluny took Redwall.

Tsarmina took a lot to take down.

*gotta go, I'll have more later*