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Started by Jasper, July 29, 2014, 04:02:23 PM

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Quote from: Jasper on July 29, 2014, 04:02:23 PM
In Lord Brocktree Groddil the magician fox kills Ungatt Trunn and then walks away, never to be seen in those lands again. My question is, what became of Groddil? Does he reappear in any of the other books?
Lord Brocktree actually killed him by breaking his spine, but he wasn't quite dead when Groddil pushed him out into the water.

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Brocktree fatally wounded him, Grodil made sure he died
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Quote from: JangoCoolguy on August 05, 2014, 08:56:42 PM

(then again, I think the Ripfang in LB is the same one in Mossflower, so I wouldn't put too much stock in that...)

Me two I always liked to think they where the same person. It just fits to well. He had dreams about a full grown male badger that haunted him for goodness sake.
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The idea of Groddil being the ancestor of the Marlfoxes is intriguing. It's unlikely, but certainly not impossible.

As far as Ripfang goes, there's three big problems with it being the same rat.
The first and most obvious problem is that Mr. Jacques said that it wasn't. The second problem is that, from what I've read, their protruding fangs were in different areas of their mouths. Thirdly, Ripfang would have to be as old as Methuselah (the mouse) to still be alive and kicking by Mossflower, and if he was still alive, I expect he would've known that it would be very foolish to go out on the battlefield himself. I expect a rat that old and experienced must have learned not to take unnecessary risks like facing a berserking badger.

The theory I liked best myself was that Ripfang in Mossflower was a descendant of the one in Lord Brocktree. It explains the apparent connection between the Ripfangs, while sidestepping the aging problem.
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Faiyloe

first off I chose to ignore BJ in this instance. Now based on that the fang. As people get older there teeth tend to move around in there mouth. I'm not a dentist so I don't really know but wouldn't it be logical to assume that if there is only one tooth in his mouth there would be plenty of space to move around in. The tooth could have shifted positions as he aged. thirdly Rip fang was really old in the book. Bork tree took him down almost immediately after he got to him. Now mark that yes there is some experience gained but he wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer to beguine with. Add the fact that he was very ambitious. And remember he was really really old don't you think he might have gone a bit crazy. 
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Groddil "was never seen in those lands again" implying that he left not only the shore, but Mossflower as well, so he could not of started the Marlfoxes, maybe though, he went to that kingdom in the south, i forget the name, living peacefully till the end of his days
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Quote from: James Gryphon on August 09, 2014, 08:12:20 PM
The idea of Groddil being the ancestor of the Marlfoxes is intriguing. It's unlikely, but certainly not impossible.

As far as Ripfang goes, there's three big problems with it being the same rat.
The first and most obvious problem is that Mr. Jacques said that it wasn't. The second problem is that, from what I've read, their protruding fangs were in different areas of their mouths. Thirdly, Ripfang would have to be as old as Methuselah (the mouse) to still be alive and kicking by Mossflower, and if he was still alive, I expect he would've known that it would be very foolish to go out on the battlefield himself. I expect a rat that old and experienced must have learned not to take unnecessary risks like facing a berserking badger.

The theory I liked best myself was that Ripfang in Mossflower was a descendant of the one in Lord Brocktree. It explains the apparent connection between the Ripfangs, while sidestepping the aging problem.
It was said he was in the mountain at some point, we only know that the original ripfang did that.
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As for Groddil, he may have joined up with Ripfang (Unlikely) or he may have set up that colony of foxes Sela the healer and Chickenhound came from.
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