Commentary on the Book Mattimeo

[Wylder Treejumper]

For discussion related to the book Mattimeo.

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[alexandre]

I am currently rereading it, and Slagar is just as much of a loser as I remember him to be 

[Ashleg]

I am currently rereading it, and Slagar is just as much of a loser as I remember him to be 

Ha ha ha, finally someone else!

[Jetthebinturong]

I don't understand how Slagar could possibly be construed as a loser. The only reason he doesn't win is plot convenience, not though any fault of his own or particularly great effort on his enemies' part.

[Ashleg]

Malkariss was in charge of him.

The only reason he kidnapped the kids/teens in the first place was because Malkariss wanted him to.
And he fell into a well. ;0

[Jetthebinturong]

Slagar always planned to betray Malkariss if I recall correctly. The only reason he worked for him was to get a territory of his own. And he kidnapped the kids at Redwall to get some revenge out of his business. It's not as if Malkariss specifically wanted children from Redwall.

[alexandre]

Slagar always planned to betray Malkariss if I recall correctly. The only reason he worked for him was to get a territory of his own. And he kidnapped the kids at Redwall to get some revenge out of his business. It's not as if Malkariss specifically wanted children from Redwall.

     I just think Slagar was kind of a fool, in the way he tried to deal with Matthias and co.

[LT Sandpaw]

He buried them in a cave. That's actually pretty smart. He also picked the greatest way to take vengeance out on Matthias. Its not his fault that Matthias proved to be stubbornly impossible to kill.

I really liked how many awesome characters were in this book, and how many were lost as well. Stonefleck, Log-a-log, Warbeak, all amazing characters. Its great to see the heroes thrown into so many tough situations, and it was only a little bit of luck, and a lot of courage to keep going.

[Ashleg]

I loved this book.
Slagar seemed lame to me, but everything else except that stupid Cynthia Bankvole makes me proud to call this one of my favorite entries in the series.

[Hickory]

UGH CYNTHIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!2!2!2!3!2!2!!!!

[alexandre]

He buried them in a cave. That's actually pretty smart. He also picked the greatest way to take vengeance out on Matthias. Its not his fault that Matthias proved to be stubbornly impossible to kill.

I really liked how many awesome characters were in this book, and how many were lost as well. Stonefleck, Log-a-log, Warbeak, all amazing characters. Its great to see the heroes thrown into so many tough situations, and it was only a little bit of luck, and a lot of courage to keep going.

               *Punches Sand* I forgot that logalog dies  and I am currently rereading it.

[Ashleg]

UGH CYNTHIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!2!2!2!3!2!2!!!!

!!!2!2!!2!2'qqnn

[Captain Tammo]

I'm rereading the book now and I can't say I agree with you guys in saying Slagar is lackluster or a loser. I think the guy is actually very very cunning! Think of his situation: his whole band is a group of bickering idiots, his cargo is a group of surprisingly fierce young ones (one of whom is a badger mind you) that he has to keep alive and in good health for delivery a huge distance away, and to make matters worse, he has a nearly unstoppable force chasing after him all the way. Admit it, he did really really well for what kind of situation he was in.

And another thing: this villain has depth! There's a big reveal in the first part of the story and we find out who he really is. Sure his revenge is all a misunderstanding - he hardly sees what he did as wrong even though it cost Methuselah his life. The best kinds of villains are the ones who think they're doing justice, and that's exactly what Slagar is doing. Well... to an extent.

[Jetthebinturong]

Slagar is literally the best. He manages to trick and connive his way into Redwall, knock everyone unconscious and steal away their children. He buries his enemies alive in a cave and the only reason they could get out was plot convenience. He constantly used brilliant strategies to evade his pursuers (erasing their tracks, having them walk backwards out of the cave, using the Painted Ones' forest and the piranha-infested river to delay them) He tricked all of his band into killing each other so he could be the sole person to claim the reward for his service. He worked his revenge into his "career." He tricked Vitch into thinking he was important so that he had a bargaining chip to sweeten the deal with Malkariss and it worked. Malkariss gave him what he wanted. Slagar succeeded in achieving all of his goals, it's not his fault that the plot required him to die.

[a crumb]

Slagar is literally the best. He manages to trick and connive his way into Redwall, knock everyone unconscious and steal away their children. He buries his enemies alive in a cave and the only reason they could get out was plot convenience. He constantly used brilliant strategies to evade his pursuers (erasing their tracks, having them walk backwards out of the cave, using the Painted Ones' forest and the piranha-infested river to delay them) He tricked all of his band into killing each other so he could be the sole person to claim the reward for his service. He worked his revenge into his "career." He tricked Vitch into thinking he was important so that he had a bargaining chip to sweeten the deal with Malkariss and it worked. Malkariss gave him what he wanted. Slagar succeeded in achieving all of his goals, it's not his fault that the plot required him to die.

Amen.

And he had a wildly successful career as an advice columnist and television host after he was dead. Talk about being smart.