So, who is yours?
Mine is Badrang the Tyrant. His name is simply epic! Tobe honest, they all have awesome names, but Badrang is a special thing :D Long live stoats!
Quote from: Superdreuzel on June 14, 2011, 04:34:55 PM
So, who is yours?
Mine is Badrang the Tyrant. His name is simply epic! Tobe honest, they all have awesome names, but Badrang is a special thing :D Long live stoats!
;D ;D ;D ;D
Like the name Black tooth! ;)
But my favorite villain would have to be Skalrag. :D :D
Slagar, definitely. He has the best backstory ever, besides being one of the most evil of all the Redwall villains. (He enslaved all the wittle mousebabes!) I'm ashamed to say that my opinion of him has also been improved largely by the amazing Project SLAGAR website. You should go check it out; I put the link for it on the "Websites" discussion tab.
Ungatt Trunn. He conquered and held Salamandastron!
Have a few:
Cluny (orginal, scary), the Sable Queen (so evil), the wolverine dude from Rackety Tam (really evil), Rizzid Wearat.
But my favorite is Mad Eyes.
For no particular reason, my favorite villain is Gruntan Kurdly.
Quote from: Redwall Musician on June 16, 2011, 03:56:54 PM
Have a few:
Cluny (orginal, scary), the Sable Queen (so evil), the wolverine dude from Rackety Tam (really evil), Rizzid Wearat.
But my favorite is Mad Eyes.
What about Badrang ( cruel ) or the fox queen from marlfox, or Tramun Clogg? ::)
Feragho is possibly my favorite.
-Killed Urthstripe's parents and then tried to take over his mountain.
-Went on a one-on-one battle with a badger lord (despite being a weasel). Although he did get his horde to assist him afterwards he wasn't even fatally injured. In fact, after the horde came in, it was Urthstripe who was fatally injured.
-Breached Salamandastron, a military fortress (plus there were proper warriors there, not just old ones like in lord brocktree)
-Him and his horde were responsible for killing 5 named "good" characters.
-Was never insane or even panicking/cowardly like almost all other villains (except calling in his horde when he was losing the fight with Urthstripe but that's more reasonable than cowardly)
-Him cheating in the fight proved that he disregarded tradition (was open-minded)
Even Urthstripe expected him to not cheat like that.
-Had the largest horde in the series (besides Ungatt Trunn)
-Unlike Trunn, didn't make stupid mistakes such as fighting one on one and only relying
on one searat who is skilled with a bow.
-Turned Salamandastron into a bit of a tragedy.
Vilu Daskar would have been my favorite but he was only in book 2 of Legend of Luke (which is why I'm writing a fanfic version where he is in all three books.
What's wrong with an insane villain? They add spice to the plot. Gabool is my favorite because
A. He never really kills someone good
B. He's smart even when he's insane
C. He looks like a villain
D. He's a searat, the best villain's in all redwall books!
A bit of insanity is nice but not complete schizophrenia and paranoia like Gabool had. Slagar's insanity made him better as a villain, in Gabool's case it made him look like a bit of a coward.
my fav one has to be Gulo the Savage! he was awsome cause he basicly matched the badger in streght. throuhg the whole book i was hopeing he would fight a badger. but he didnt lol but oh well!
mine is probably Ugnatt Trunn!!! Or Vilu Daskar!! (if thats how you spell it)
I really can't name a favourite as they are all great.
Mine is definitely Baliss.
Cluny is by far my favourite, but I also love Badrang. He is awesome.
The Marlfoxes. Dunno why, they just are. Possibly because they mostly ended up killing each other and fighting amongst themselves, which was completely stupid and redundant and made me laugh.
I also love the searat/corsair from the Bellmaker. Blaggut. Mostly because he really sucked at being bad, and turned out to be a total softie :)
Forgot to mention Tsarmina. She's psycho crazy :)
The snakes are scary. Asmodes, Baliss, both gave me goosebumps. One night I had read about Baliss and the next morning I saw a snake in my bed. "Oh on! this is the end!" I thought. But it was my cat's tail. I almost fainted of foolishness.
IMO Blaggut wasn't a villain. Neither was Clogg.
Quote from: Redwall Musician on June 21, 2011, 04:36:39 PM
The snakes are scary. Asmodes, Baliss, both gave me goosebumps. One night I had read about Baliss and the next morning I saw a snake in my bed. "Oh on! this is the end!" I thought. But it was my cat's tail. I almost fainted of foolishness.
Zassaliss and his siblings. They gave me goosebumps, shivers, startles and overall total intense concentartion on what I was reading. Those three were brilliant, Jacques did awesome on them.
@Redwall Musician:btw, I accidently hit Modify on your post instead of Quote, hence why it says I edited it.
Actually, I gotta throw my lot in with Zassaliss and Co., too. Whenever I read the bits where they were stalking creatures, it actually got to me. Scary books don't usually scare me, so I must agree with how impressive Jacques's respresentation of those three was. Chilling.
The painted ones were pretty amazingly well written. I liked them.
Quote from: DanielofRedwall on June 22, 2011, 09:08:05 AM
The painted ones were pretty amazingly well written. I liked them.
Yes, I liked them.
What about those cannibal lizards, from Martin the Warrior??? ::) ::)
Quote from: martins#1fan on June 25, 2011, 05:34:11 PM
What about those cannibal lizards, from Martin the Warrior??? ::) ::)
Creeepppppyyyyy!
Urgan Nagru was awesome as well.
I like the sable quean.... But I dunno y.....
Quote from: Storm on June 17, 2011, 03:48:09 PM
What's wrong with an insane villain? They add spice to the plot. Gabool is my favorite because
A. He never really kills someone good
B. He's smart even when he's insane
C. He looks like a villain
D. He's a searat, the best villain's in all redwall books!
Gabool is great. Jacques really pours on the evil when he writes about the searats.
Gotta say the Monitor Lizards.
Mines probably tsarmina wildcat (spelling?) because she almost defeated Martin the warrior with her bare claws and he had his sword. She did go a little insane but that just makes it a better story!
Quote from: Captain Tammo on June 28, 2011, 06:06:44 PM
Mines probably tsarmina wildcat (spelling?) because she almost defeated Martin the warrior with her bare claws and he had his sword. She did go a little insane but that just makes it a better story!
Just another reason that Mossflower is on just about everyone's top ten favourites.
That's a tough one! They're all nasty in their own way.
Asmodeussss...
Verdauga Greeneyes, I know he didn't last that long but I've always liked him. Otherwise I'd say Gabool.
Quote from: Redwall Musician on June 16, 2011, 03:56:54 PM
Have a few:
Cluny (orginal, scary), the Sable Queen (so evil), the wolverine dude from Rackety Tam (really evil), Rizzid Wearat.
But my favorite is Mad Eyes.
I like Mad Eyes too. Spoooky! But Slagar sounds really scary. You would think that he would leave off his mask just to frighten others.
:o
Quote from: Tiria Wildlough on July 01, 2011, 04:58:55 AM
Quote from: Redwall Musician on June 16, 2011, 03:56:54 PM
Have a few:
Cluny (orginal, scary), the Sable Queen (so evil), the wolverine dude from Rackety Tam (really evil), Rizzid Wearat.
But my favorite is Mad Eyes.
I like Mad Eyes too. Spoooky! But Slagar sounds really scary. You would think that he would leave off his mask just to frighten others.
:o
Hated him when he was Chickenhound, loved him when he was Slagar.
Quote from: Taggerung_of_Redwall on June 22, 2011, 02:58:53 AM
Quote from: Redwall Musician on June 21, 2011, 04:36:39 PM
The snakes are scary. Asmodes, Baliss, both gave me goosebumps. One night I had read about Baliss and the next morning I saw a snake in my bed. "Oh on! this is the end!" I thought. But it was my cat's tail. I almost fainted of foolishness.
Zassaliss and his siblings. They gave me goosebumps, shivers, startles and overall total intense concentartion on what I was reading. Those three were brilliant, Jacques did awesome on them.
@Redwall Musician:btw, I accidently hit Modify on your post instead of Quote, hence why it says I edited it.
I was really scared reading about Zassaliss and his siblings. It jsut made me feel spooky reading about it. Also the awful stench. Eeuuugh!
Quote from: DanielofRedwall on July 01, 2011, 09:38:54 AMHated him when he was Chickenhound, loved him when he was Slagar.
I agree with this completely! Chickenhound didn't impress me in the least, but Slagar - he was a seriously awesome villain.
I've noticed that nobody's mentioned Stonefleck yet.
Quote from: Osu on July 01, 2011, 08:20:51 PM
Quote from: DanielofRedwall on July 01, 2011, 09:38:54 AMHated him when he was Chickenhound, loved him when he was Slagar.
I agree with this completely! Chickenhound didn't impress me in the least, but Slagar - he was a seriously awesome villain.
I agree! Although, I wish slagar would fight a lot more instead of running away :-\
Slagar believes he should turn the other cheek (and run for his life! :D).
Quote from: Redwall Musician on July 02, 2011, 11:26:19 PM
Slagar believes he should turn the other cheek (and run for his life! :D).
Hahaha! A fox who runs away/ lives to steal another day...
Really hard...all villains were evil one way or another, but a few were more evil than others. Cluny (using blackmail is really low, yet smart), Vilaya was scary (the poison dagger...), Tsarmina was the only one who met Martin in single combat (pretty darn rare), but I have to say my personal favorite would be Swartt Sixclaw from The Outcast, he is such a conniving ferret.
Quote from: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on July 02, 2011, 05:41:44 PM
I've noticed that nobody's mentioned Stonefleck yet.
Oh yeah, Stonefleck! He was so mysterious in his own way.
Quote from: Osu on July 03, 2011, 03:45:07 AM
Quote from: Redwall Musician on July 02, 2011, 11:26:19 PM
Slagar believes he should turn the other cheek (and run for his life! :D).
Hahaha! A fox who runs away/ lives to steal another day...
or he falls into a hidden well and dies ;D
i mean thats what happened to Slagar in the end
Three of my favorite villains, in mostly-randomized order:
Ferahgo the Assassin
In terms of lifespan, Ferahgo is one of the oldest and most experienced villains in the saga. At the beginning of Salamandastron, he was a mature weasel; by the time the story starts, Urthstripe (who was but a babe at the beginning) is a mature Badger Lord, so Ferahgo has obviously seen many seasons by this point.
As he mentions, he was skinning and killing before any of his horde was weaned. In terms of battle tactics, he's second only to Cluny in competence; he clearly knows how to control a horde. He is also unusually ruthless; Urthstripe clearly expected Ferahgo to honor the tradition of the "Duel of Chieftains", but the Assassin never had any intention of doing any such thing. From the very beginning he planned to assassinate the badger by ambush. (And frankly, that's just plain common sense -- in a fight between a Badger Lord and practically any other character in the series, I know who I'd bet on. If I was a vermin leader, I'd have to be stupid and insane to really intentionally risk my life in such an unbalanced fight.)
Several interesting personality traits include his sophistication, malicious faux naîveté and charm, and most intriguingly, his relationship with his son Klitch. Like Veil, Klitch is the spitting image of his father; unlike Veil, Ferahgo and his son actually seem to have a strong relationship, as far as vermin go. While they're constantly taking verbal shots at each other, we see from their behavior that they wouldn't really harm one another, and that's really pretty interesting (and probably unique among vermin families).
Ferahgo is notably one of the few villains that never goes insane or suffers from some sort of personality disorder. His goal, to conquer Salamandastron, is well-defined and pursued from the beginning, and doesn't slide off course. All these things should give him a special place in the ranks of Redwall villains.
Tsarmina Greeneyes
The first and in my mind, greatest wildcat villain, Tsarmina showed that a villain can be lady-like and yet dangerous and evil at the same time. ;)
Tsarmina is very definitely a girl, and that plays into her entire system of tyranny. She bosses around her subordinates, like every other main villain, but she has a very "catty" and manipulative way of handling things. Her rule begins with the classic underhanded coup, by poisoning her father. She disposes of her only significant rival, Bane, by a surprisingly non-confrontational maneuver -- she sweet-talks him, with a fake, yet seemingly sincere apology, and tricks into wearing the pine marten Ashleg's cloak. Having done that, she then locks him outside the gate, so that Argulor, the golden eagle who longs to taste pine marten, will swoop down on the fox and kill him.
Lady Greeneyes, unfortunately for her, is subject to multiple mental disorders. First, she suffers from intense aqua/hydrophobia, a paralyzing fear of water that pervades into her subconscious mind. She has little or no control over her behavior; when exposed to a river, the normally dominant queen panics and begs her troops to pull her out of the water. Alone in her chamber at nights, she's driven to insomnia by her fear. This grows worse and worse as the story continues, finally culminating in her death by drowning at the end of her fight with Martin.
Just as notably, she becomes completely obsessed with her brother Gingivere, and the role she imagines he's playing in overthrowing her rule. This extends itself to outright delusions, such as believing that various other creatures are Gingivere (even when they are obviously could not be, due to their smaller size).
In spite of all this, Tsarmina is a dangerous warrior, due to her natural, built-in weapons, and her skill at archery. In combat she practically tears Martin apart. This wildcat lady's only significant weakness is herself, and the threats conjured up by her fevered mind. Bella of Brockhall believed that defeating Tsarmina and her Thousand Eyes Army necessitated bringing back Boar the Fighter, the most dangerous warrior in Redwall history, from Salamandastron, and that speaks volumes as to the threat she posed to the Corim.
Cluny the Scourge
Cluny's infamous reign of terror took him far and wide. The greatest vermin warlord of all time had killed countless creatures prior to Redwall; his name was legendary even in a remote a place as Redwall Abbey.
A born conqueror, Cluny's strategic genius and physical might, as a whole, are unmatched by any other villain in the series. All of his plans mirror real, historic battlefield tactics, and leave little to be desired in terms of innovation. His physical skill and power is great, with a victory over a pike to his credit (something that the water rat Gloomer failed to achieve). He rapidly overwhelms Matthias, in spite of possessing inferior weaponry and armor, just by virtue of being so fast, strong, and tough.
His mental disorders seem to be brought on by the equivalent of a haunting -- it was something that the warlord had clearly never experienced before, and that couldn't be reasonably attributed to a flaw in the rat's mental makeup. It's worth noting that even when dealing with the aftereffects of these nightmares, that the Scourge remains a competent and capable villain, giving out effective orders to his troops.
No complaints to be had here; if you've read Redwall you should know it all. Cluny the Scourge is one of the greatest villains, not only in Redwall but in modern literature.
Intend to post about three more of my favorites, Ublaz Mad Eyes, Gabool the Wild, and Swartt Sixclaw when I get the chance, but right now this post is really long, and it's getting late, so I'll leave it be for now. Night.
My favoruite villain would be Slagar the Cruel or Chickenhound witch ever you prefer. I think he had one of the most sensible plans especially since he saw Cluny try and fail in a takeover of redwall his goal was simple pure revenge on the place he believed had wronged him greatly. I also like the fact that he is the only villain to appear in more than one book alive and breathing.
Quote from: Rizzan on July 06, 2011, 08:20:08 PM
My favoruite villain would be Slagar the Cruel or Chickenhound witch ever you prefer. I think he had one of the most sensible plans especially since he saw Cluny try and fail in a takeover of redwall his goal was simple pure revenge on the place he believed had wronged him greatly. I also like the fact that he is the only villain to appear in more than one book alive and breathing.
Liked him when he was slagar, hated him when he was chickenhound. And no he is not the only villain to appear in more than one book. the Painted ones are villains that appear in more than one book. but slagar is the only singular mastermind villain to appear alive in more than one book.
Concerning the painted ones, it would be inaccurate to say that they are the same characters, simply they are the same type of tribe.
(I wouldn't even call them the same tribe because the ones in Long Patrol lived in a different place than the ones in Mattimeo)
Searats and corsairs fall into the same category (same with Flitchaye and the toad tribes)
Quote from: daskar666 on July 07, 2011, 07:02:40 PM
Concerning the painted ones, it would be inaccurate to say that they are the same characters, simply they are the same type of tribe.
(I wouldn't even call them the same tribe because the ones in Long Patrol lived in a different place than the ones in Mattimeo)
Searats and corsairs fall into the same category (same with Flitchaye and the toad tribes)
oh yeah right...but they are the most reaccuring villainous group besides the searats.
The painted ones are boring.
Oh, and I forgot to mention Damug Warfang. He would have won had it not been for the fact that there were two armies up against him, and Cregga's bloodwrath.
I personally like Stonefleck. His horde mightae beaten Mathias and the others had the Sparra not joined in.
Blaggut! He's awesome! Rasconza, and Cluny the Scourge also. I absolutely LOVE rats! It kinda bugs me that with like, one exception, all the rats in the Redwall books were evil. I mean, come on, I love the Redwall books sooooo much, but it's kind of stereotypical to label rats as always having to be evil.
Don't think of them being evil because they're rats, but rather they're rats because they're evil. I can't for the life of me remember where I read that quote... :(
On that subject, the flower queen (or whatever that hedgehog lady called herself) from Doomwyte was certainly an... interesting villain.
That quote would be said by the esteemed and late Mr. Jacques.
hands down gulo hes awsome and he eats his victims hardcore man
While Slagar was certainly the only villain to have been a character in multiple books, the searat Ripfang presents an....interesting case.
Although Brian Jacques had himself confirmed that Lord Brocktree's Ripfang=/=Mossflower's Ripfang it's pretty clear that he originally meant for them to be one and the same, and only realized a flaw with it after Lord Brocktree was published.
Additionally when Luke comes back to the region of his caves on the Goreleech in Legend of Luke, Vilu Daskar seems to have been EXPECTING the caves to be empty. Could it be possible that at some point in the story he made some sort of deal with Ripfang (the one in Mossflower) to raid the caves? Timballisto was, after all, found on Ripfang's ship.
I'd say Verdauga.
Quote from: daskar666 on July 20, 2011, 06:47:34 PM
While Slagar was certainly the only villain to have been a character in multiple books, the searat Ripfang presents an....interesting case.
Although Brian Jacques had himself confirmed that Lord Brocktree's Ripfang=/=Mossflower's Ripfang it's pretty clear that he originally meant for them to be one and the same, and only realized a flaw with it after Lord Brocktree was published.
Additionally when Luke comes back to the region of his caves on the Goreleech in Legend of Luke, Vilu Daskar seems to have been EXPECTING the caves to be empty. Could it be possible that at some point in the story he made some sort of deal with Ripfang (the one in Mossflower) to raid the caves? Timballisto was, after all, found on Ripfang's ship.
That's an interesting idea, although I can't picture searats working together
Ruggan Bor from "Taggerung". He doesn't show up until near the end, but he leaves such an impression that he easily overshadowed the other vermin for me. Piercing stare, cautious, and not easily fooled. And quite handsome too.
There's also Gulo from "Rakkety Tam" for, yes, his cannibalistic behavior which makes him scary. But then I saw Razzid Wearat in "The Rogue Crew" and changed my mind. Razzid can be very scary.
The duo of Badrang and Clogg was great, both from "Martin the Warrior". It was great to try to take sides, and Badrang is undeniably good-looking in the cartoon. However, I misread Clogg's description at first and imagined him as a stoat version of Captain Jack Sparrow (kinda like how he looks on the Russian cover for the book). Which made both villains look great.
Honorable mention to Slagar from "Mattimeo". Partly because he's a fox, but mostly because of his portrayal (and voice acting) in the cartoon. I know Cluny's pretty much the perfect villain since he formed the expectations to follow, but Slagar as a villain is just more fun.
Yeah, Ruggan Bor was intimidating, but controlled and didn't show his emotions, which made him less vulnerable
I was just watching Mattimeo on YouTube, and I realized that I like Stonefleck. ;D
I think the best villian of all time was Cluny the Scourge. He actually got inside the grounds and conquered Redwall. He would have won, too, if it weren't for all those Sparra and shrews coming with Matthias.
Quote from: Tiria Wildlough on July 24, 2011, 09:32:55 AM
I was just watching Mattimeo on YouTube, and I realized that I like Stonefleck. ;D
Hooray! Another Stonefleck fan! ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Lady Amber on July 28, 2011, 02:48:04 PM
I think the best villian of all time was Cluny the Scourge. He actually got inside the grounds and conquered Redwall. He would have won, too, if it weren't for all those Sparra and shrews coming with Matthias.
Stonefleck widae won too if it werenae fer, az ye zaid,
Quote from: Lady Amber on July 28, 2011, 02:48:04 PM
..all those Sparra and shrews......
Cluny the Scourge is definitely my favorite. My first Redwall baddie...brings back memories...Not to be mean or anything, but I found Stonefleck sort of annoying. He always talked in that deep voice that sounded like he had a sore throat.Skalrag rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mine is Asmodeus. He creeps me out loaaaads.
Surprised I haven't responded to this topic before.
Cluny is the answer. He is the only one who managed to successfully infiltrate Redwall and hold captives, and for a time, you wondered whether or not Matthias or the Abbot would live. You didn't get that with other villains who were not able to do so much as Cluny managed to.
Quote from: Lutra on August 04, 2011, 03:50:07 PM
Surprised I haven't responded to this topic before.
Cluny is the answer. He is the only one who managed to successfully infiltrate Redwall and hold captives, and for a time, you wondered whether or not Matthias or the Abbot would live. You didn't get that with other villains who were not able to do so much as Cluny managed to.
And plus Cluny got squished by the Joseph Bell ;D
Quote from: Coobreedan on August 04, 2011, 01:26:14 PM
Mine is Asmodeus. He creeps me out loaaaads.
Me, too. After the episode when Matthias goes into Asmodeus' lair, I got nightmares about giant snakes. ;D
Here is a list of all my favorite villians. ;D
1. Cluny the Scourge
2. Slagar the Cruel
3. Cap'n Josiah Traumun Cuttlefish Clogg
4. Gulo the Savage
5. Vilu Daskar
6. Rasconza
7. Sagitar Sawfang
8. Emperor Ublaz Mad Eyes
9. Ferahgo the Assassin
10. Farran the Poisoner
Cluny is number one on my list of favorite villains, too.
1. Asmodeus Poisonteeth
2. Cluny The Scourge
3. The cat from Mossflower
(These are the only ones I know)
Quote from: Nightfire on August 04, 2011, 08:10:18 PM
Here is a list of all my favorite villians. ;D
1. Cluny the Scourge
2. Slagar the Cruel
3. Cap'n Josiah Traumun Cuttlefish Clogg
4. Gulo the Savage
5. Vilu Daskar
6. Rasconza
7. Sagitar Sawfang
8. Emperor Ublaz Mad Eyes
9. Ferahgo the Assassin
10. Farran the Poisoner
Who is Sagitar Sawfang? I don't remember him
She's actually female. She was Emperor Ublaz Mad Eyes' Chief Trident Rat.
Ohhhhhhhhhh her...I'd totally forgotten about her...
Quote from: Coobreedan on August 04, 2011, 08:51:32 PM
1. Asmodeus Poisonteeth
2. Cluny The Scourge
3. The cat from Mossflower
(These are the only ones I know)
The cat from Mossflower. Do you mean the king that died, the evil queen's brother, or the evil queen? The king is called Verdauga of the Thousand Eyes. The evil queens brother is called Gingivere. The evil queen is called Tsarmina.
Tsarmina. Thanks
No problem! ;D
1 Vizka Longtooth
2 Tsarmina
3 Stonefleck
4 Badrang
5 The Marlfoxes
6 Gulo the Savage
7 Ublaz Madeyes
8 Damug Warfang
9 Riggu Felis
10 Ungatt Trunn
I love Vizka Longtooth. All my favourite villains are teh ones that have plain stupid soldiers. XD
I liked Slagar a lot. His plan seemed pretty cunning, and he successfully infiltrated Redwall
Slagar is AWESOME!!!!!!! He is my second favorite villain.
Note: Razzid Wearat is the third main villain in the SERIES to get into Redwall.
Cluny, him, and who else? Slagar?
Yeah. Cluny, Slagar, and Razzid. Although Badredd's lot got into Redwall as well, so technically there are four groups that made it inside.
The Marlfoxes got in and killed Nutwing, so I guess they would count
Okay. Five groupd have gotten into Redwall so far. Cluny's horde, Slagar's band, Razzid's horde, Badredd's band, and the Marlfoxes. I hate the Marlfoxes. Slagar hates them too. They seem...cowardly.
Heehee...I read his "Ask Slagar" about the Marlfoxes...Thanks for telling me about that website! I love it!
Heeheehee. I love the Ask Slagar section. Especially the numbered lists that get Slagar so irritated. Bwahahahahaha!!! *A vixen comes out of nowhere and does an evil cackle*
I might mention, if we're on the subject of which villains entered Redwall, that General Ironbeak's army managed it too (although it was a lot easier for them, since they could ignore the walls), so that's actually six groups. ;)
That's true
But the only MAIN villains were Cluny Slagar and Razzid.
Others were all minor.
The mook in Sable Quean and Zwilt the Shade got in as well but they weren't main villains.
Well, I'd still say that Slagar does count as a main villain; without his plot, nothing that happened would have happened. It isn't like Malkariss was planning on conquering Redwall, after all, and 90% of the action is focused on the fox.
Likewise, I think that most would consider the Marlfoxes, as a group, to be the main villains, not just Mokkan, but I'd say that it still counts regardless since he was in command of the group at the time they broke into Redwall.
I agree that Slagar is a main villain, which is why he is the second of the three main villains to enter.
Regarding the Marlfoxes, personally I view the rest of them as minor villains, in the same way that I view Ironbeak, Graypatch, etc as minor.
I have to agree with Slagar the Cruel about Marlfoxes. Ascrod is the only one with any sense.
Not a huge Marlfox fan. It's cool how they can disappear into thin air and all that, but I found them a bit annoying. Talk about sibling rivalry! ::)
They also overestimated the Redwallers big time
Skalrag is awesome.
FERAHGO!
SKALRAG!!!
Gruven.
One stoat who will assuredly never be chosen.
I really liked Gruven II. I felt kind of bad for him. Maybe it's because I'm weird, but I always liked the vermin...
Razzid Wearat!!!! "Razzid!! Razzid!! Razzid Wearat!!!" ;)
Vizka Longtooth, partly because he had a dead stupid crew, and partly because I like foxes. Pine martens too. ;D
Ah expected Urgan Nagru tae be a better villain then he actually turned oat tae be.
Quote from: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on August 20, 2011, 04:34:27 AM
Ah expected Urgan Nagru tae be a better villain then he actually turned oat tae be.
I also expected him to be more cunning.
He is a fox after all.
Quote from: daskar666 on August 20, 2011, 08:39:05 PM
Quote from: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on August 20, 2011, 04:34:27 AM
Ah expected Urgan Nagru tae be a better villain then he actually turned oat tae be.
I also expected him to be more cunning.
He is a fox after all.
He had Silvamord to be cunning for him, I guess.
Yeah, I think Urgan Nagru and Silvamord were two of my least favorite villains
Fer zome reazon ah actually liked Druwp.
Druwp was the first non-shrew bad "good species" guy making him notable.
I expected more villainous behavior from shrews than other "good" species because they're well, shrews.
Agh, oh how I hate Druwp...
Quote from: Skalrag of Marshank on August 23, 2011, 01:29:16 AM
Agh, oh how I hate Druwp...
Me too. His voice in the TV show was so annoying. >:(
CLUNY CLUNY CLUNY THE SCOURGE!!!!!!!
I agree. But I also agree with Slagar the Cruel. What's with all of the different colored foxes? The Marlfoxes are all mottles and can blend into things, so that makes them creepy and mysterious. The Ruggan Bor had GOLDEN fur, so he's considered intimidating. I would laugh if I met a golden fox. Then Plugg Firetail. What's with him? He's silver coloured, with a normal looking tail. Talk about weird. And since when would a vermin bath, brush, and shine his tail? Talk about a completely non-vermin way of acting. ::) Ascrod, Slagar, and Skalrag were the only sane foxes in the Redwall world.
I'd contest that myself, though I never read the particular "Ask Slagar" feature you're talking about.
I'd rank Balefur pretty highly myself, though, on the fox list; he was the only one of Swartt's enemies that didn't fall for the poisoned goblet, and he posed the ferret warlord a substantial threat, up until Nightshade tricked him into entering the Quarry. That still isn't too bad, though. He could've died in a really weak way, like, say, being used for target practice, or running into an open well. ;)
The most successful fox, though, might be Groddil; he's the only fox villain I can think of that survived all the way through the book and lived to tell about it, which isn't shabby.
Slagar did. ;D He was Chickenhound in Redwall. People thought he had died, but he survived and tricked Redwall Abbey. He survived for almost two whole books!
I've always held a fondness for Urgan Nagru for the reason that for all intents and purposes, he won. That is to say, by the time we start the story, he's already got control of a kingdom with a minimum amount of trouble and hassle. That was his intital goal, and he obtained it. Housekeeping issues of course come up later, but all major villains encounter that. It can be believed that he was in control of Southsward for sometime, giving him, I think, the longest reign post-conquer of all the major villains in the series (with the exception of Tsarmina, who inherited her kingdom. And even then, her own time on the throne is kept short). Also, his relationship with Silvamord is cool; you don't really see too many power couples, with usually one dicator ceasing control for themselves, so sharing the decision making was a neat step.
And, as a student of history, I really like how he holds his own in an open field battle. Most of the warlords resort to seiges, which, as we've seen, most mindless cannibals are capable of doing with some success. Urgan's refusal to lose his cool after being surprised, his defense of his position, and then going on the initiative to assault the enemies flanks are not somehting we get a lot of. Not to mention that, when the going gets rough, he knows enough to retreat. And retreating, in spite of popular opinion, is not cowardly so much as recognizing the fact that continuing the battle would result in assured lost and it's better to fight another day. LAst, but not least, his fight scene with Finnbarr is awesome.
Silvamord was weird. I loved the "Dystfunctional Vermin Families" Mossflower talk episode, though. It was funny how she ticked off Urgan.
I also love how in Ask Slagar, then Slagar the Cruel is making fun of Urgan. He says. "Then there's this fox who finds a dead, frozen wolf in the woods, so he wears it's pelt and calls himself Urgaan Nagru, saying 'My name's Urgan Nagru! That means I can attack you from forwards or backwards! Oooh!' I mean, come on, my name's Slagar, but that doesn't mean I will attack you from behind a slag heap shouting 'arrr'. What a dork."
Or something along those lines. ;D
Quote from: Nightfire on August 31, 2011, 07:25:13 PM
Silvamord was weird. I loved the "Dystfunctional Vermin Families" Mossflower talk episode, though. It was funny how she ticked off Urgan.
I also love how in Ask Slagar, then Slagar the Cruel is making fun of Urgan. He says. "Then there's this fox who finds a dead, frozen wolf in the woods, so he wears it's pelt and calls himself Urgaan Nagru, saying 'My name's Urgan Nagru! That means I can attack you from forwards or backwards! Oooh!' I mean, come on, my name's Slagar, but that doesn't mean I will attack you from behind a slag heap shouting 'arrr'. What a dork."
Or something along those lines. ;D
Heehee. Love that part. ;D
How do you imagine Slagar's voice, Nightfire?
Quote from: James Gryphon on August 30, 2011, 06:48:40 PM
He could've died in a really weak way, like, say, being used for target practice,
Oh, ya had to bring that up, didn't you? ;D
mine is blaggut
Quote from: Nightfire on August 31, 2011, 07:25:13 PM
Silvamord was weird. I loved the "Dystfunctional Vermin Families" Mossflower talk episode, though. It was funny how she ticked off Urgan.
I also love how in Ask Slagar, then Slagar the Cruel is making fun of Urgan. He says. "Then there's this fox who finds a dead, frozen wolf in the woods, so he wears it's pelt and calls himself Urgaan Nagru, saying 'My name's Urgan Nagru! That means I can attack you from forwards or backwards! Oooh!' I mean, come on, my name's Slagar, but that doesn't mean I will attack you from behind a slag heap shouting 'arrr'. What a dork."
Or something along those lines. ;D
Heeheehee! :D :D
Vizka Longtooth!!
Quote from: Skalrag of Marshank on August 31, 2011, 09:10:28 PM
Quote from: Nightfire on August 31, 2011, 07:25:13 PM
Silvamord was weird. I loved the "Dystfunctional Vermin Families" Mossflower talk episode, though. It was funny how she ticked off Urgan.
I also love how in Ask Slagar, then Slagar the Cruel is making fun of Urgan. He says. "Then there's this fox who finds a dead, frozen wolf in the woods, so he wears it's pelt and calls himself Urgaan Nagru, saying 'My name's Urgan Nagru! That means I can attack you from forwards or backwards! Oooh!' I mean, come on, my name's Slagar, but that doesn't mean I will attack you from behind a slag heap shouting 'arrr'. What a dork."
Or something along those lines. ;D
Heehee. Love that part. ;D
How do you imagine Slagar's voice, Nightfire?
I usually imagine him with a batman-ish type voice.
No idea why, though!
Oh. O.K. His voice in the show is...I don't know how do describe it...so UNraspy, like they say it is in the book. Ah, well. I like it anyway. ;D
I love Gulo. Did you know that Gulo Gulo is the scientific name for a wolverine, and it means gluttonous glutton? This means Gulo the savage means glutton the savage! :)
Quote from: DanielofRedwall on September 05, 2011, 01:58:08 PM
...Gulo the savage means glutton the savage! :)
Hahahahaha! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Wow, a lot of people like Cluny and Slagar. I used to like them mroe before I saw the tv shows with them. Personally, my favorites are ~Trauman Clogg
~Badredd
~Badrang
~Razzid Wearet
~The Marlfoxes
Until his death (which was cowardly), I liked Badrang the best. He was a little cocky, but not over full of himself. He also was a pretty smart general
Perzonally ah didnae think much o' auld Razzid the Wearat.
I too, thought a lot more of Slagar before I saw his cartoon. Tehey made him look like a fox that was trying to be a clown. So idiotic!
Cluny was actually pretty scary in the cartoon, though, as was Asmodeus. Of course, I last saw the Redwall cartoon when I was ten, and I'm fourteen now, so I don't remember it that well. I'll have to watch it again to refresh my memory. ::)
I personally liked Clogg. He was the first villian for me that was...likeable, despite his obvious evil nature.
Me too! Clogg has something of a likeable personality, somewhat like Barranca in Pearls of Lutra. He doesn't seem quite as bloodthirsty as some of the others, probably because while we know of his fearsome reputation we never actually see him kill anyone. The whole Badrang/Clogg power struggle made the book quite interesting. His crew seemed to have not only a healthy respect for him, but actually liked him a bit. (See the crew's comments when forced to join Badrang's forces.)
Quote from: Nightfire on September 08, 2011, 10:15:54 PM
I too, thought a lot more of Slagar before I saw his cartoon. Tehey made him look like a fox that was trying to be a clown. So idiotic!
Cluny was actually pretty scary in the cartoon, though, as was Asmodeus. Of course, I last saw the Redwall cartoon when I was ten, and I'm fourteen now, so I don't remember it that well. I'll have to watch it again to refresh my memory. ::)
Personally, I wouldn't bother rewatching the shows. I think the only good one was the version of Martin the Warrior (larrgely because of Clogg and Martin and Rose). Redwall and Mattimeo didn't impress me at all. I mean, my brother watched them shortly after he turned 5. To me, Redwall should be a bit too serious and scary for a 5 year old. :P In Redwall, I really don't like Abbot Mortimer's attitude. He will only permit Redwall to defend itself, which eliminates their best option for defeating Cluny. >:( He frustrated me.
Ferahgo the Assassin and clich i think clich comes first though i wish he had been good with "his eyes that could trick a raven from its nest" i love him he is awesome they made him handsome but i had a very big crush on buckler he is sweet
Nobody likes Plugg Firetail?
I really liked Plugg Firetail. He was funny, and his crew really actually liked him, which is pretty much a first. Maybe it's just because I like foxes so much...
It was kinda weird how he shampooed and brushed his tail though. ::) What kind of vicious freebooter regularly showers?
Actually, several of the major sea-faring vermin took some pride in their appearance.
For instance, Gabool the Wild: while he didn't necessarily do so all the way through Mariel of Redwall, this is noted as being unusual by the sea rats who observe him -- they note that he's running around his fortress like a "tramp", which was said not to be "his way".
Also, Ublaz Mad Eyes: a retired corsair, Ublaz still obviously took very much interest in fashion and personal appearance. He spent the entire book obsessing over pearls he intended to put in his crown, after all. Nevertheless he was still a ruthless vermin leader, and at one time was a highly skilled captain.
There's also Vilu Daskar, the cowardly pirate stoat, who had similar pretensions... finally, although he isn't exactly a major villain, Zigu also took interest in style.
So that's four major, recognizable pirate leaders before Plugg Firetail that took some regard as to their hygiene and appearance at some point in time. It's more common than one would think.
I like Plugg Firetail. ;D
Cluny all the way. He was epic.
Mokkan, definitely. He feigned injury tae deceive hiz ziblingz, ztole the tapeztry from them while they were awa', puzhed Lantur aff the cliff an' made it appear tae be an accident, an' made himzelf king. He only died becauze the good guyz needed tae win, zae he waznae really killed like mozt o' the otherz. Realiztically he widae ezcaped.
Yeah, Mokkan was a clever villain
Ascrod!!! He actually discovered a way to open the gates of Redwall!!! :)
Mokkan didnae get a chance tae dae tha', zimply becauze he left before they needed tae get in.
The best(and my favourite) villain is Razzid Wearat.I mean, come on he got his whole armyinto redwall.
Remember, though, that both Cluny the Scourge and, for that matter, General Ironbeak (and I don't think anyone would consider him a top villain ;)) did the same thing.
To make my argument for who I consider to be the best villain: I rank Cluny the Scourge at the top of all villain lists for a variety of reasons. I haven't been able to read The Rogue Crew yet, but I have read the plot description, and, aside from all of the skill, etc. that I feel probably Cluny has the edge in, I don't think Razzid can be said to do as well against the heroes.
Quote from: Dannflor on September 01, 2011, 04:04:13 AM
mine is blaggut
SPOILER blaggut wasnt a villain he was a good rat realy in the end he killed his captain and made mini boats for the abbey i dont think he is a villain
Quote from: Plugg Firetail on October 03, 2011, 09:18:52 PM
The best(and my favourite) villain is Razzid Wearat.I mean, come on he got his whole armyinto redwall.
He got in becauze SPOILER! they let him in.
Yeah, Cluny I think had the most success. He pretty much conquered Redwall, and would of kept it, if not for Matthias. Ungatt Trunn did capture Salamandastron, the only villain to do so, but it was against a few old hares and an old badger
Asmodeus was definitely one of the scariest.
I loved Badredd! He was so funny! Plus he got his entire band into Redwall.
I find that I like a lot of foxes. I didn't especially like Ruggan Boar, but I like Fortunata[Mossflower] (and the fox Mask played to kill her). I really like Baddred. He was awesome!!! And I loved the Redwallers' pepper bombs!
I didn't really like Ragga Bol, though. He was frightened of the badger (ack, what was his name?!?! >:( ) throughout the whole book. I like the books better where the goodbeasts are frightened of the villains....or at the very least, the bad guy isn't afraid of them. It really doesn't make the villain seem very threatening.
I haven't read Loamhedge in a while, so someone might want to list some of Ragga's good points.
Edit: His name was Lonna Bowstripe! Yay! I remembered!
Badredd was hilarious. ;D I loved him. So glad he didn't die.
Yeah, have you noticed how Badredd and his band are the few vermin who ever live through the ENTIRE book?
With Halfchop."Kaplunk!"
Clogg, Badredd, and Ruggan Bor are the only main vermin who actually lived through a book, unless you count Chickenhound, who didn't die until Mattimeo.
Ummm...wrong there Skalrag.(SPOILER ALERT)In lord brocktree 2/3s of Ungatt Trunn's Blue hordes escaped by land and sea.Also the 5 weasels in mattimeo,the remainder of the thousand eye army,and Groddil(http://redwallabbey.com/forum/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
Quote from: Skalrag of Marshank on October 07, 2011, 10:25:02 PM
Clogg, Badredd, and Ruggan Bor are the only main vermin who actually lived through a book, unless you count Chickenhound, who didn't die until Mattimeo.
you mean 'kachunk'
Quote from: Plugg Firetail on October 08, 2011, 01:17:05 AM
Ummm...wrong there Skalrag.(SPOILER ALERT)In lord brocktree 2/3s of Ungatt Trunn's Blue hordes escaped by land and sea.Also the 5 weasels in mattimeo,the remainder of the thousand eye army,and Groddil(http://redwallabbey.com/forum/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
Well, I don't think anyone considers them
main vermin, though... ;)
I really liked Groddil, though, by the way... ;D
Yeah even though he was not really important.I was re-reading it and realized that Spoiler alertGroddil didn't save Ungatt Trunn because Trunn had killed his family and hurt his back bad or something.Did it ever say why?
Ferahgo The Assassin, by far
mine is ungatt trunn he was the smartest vilain
Quote from: Skalrag of Marshank on October 08, 2011, 02:06:38 PM
Quote from: Plugg Firetail on October 08, 2011, 01:17:05 AM
Ummm...wrong there Skalrag.(SPOILER ALERT)In lord brocktree 2/3s of Ungatt Trunn's Blue hordes escaped by land and sea.Also the 5 weasels in mattimeo,the remainder of the thousand eye army,and Groddil(http://redwallabbey.com/forum/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
Well, I don't think anyone considers them main vermin, though... ;)
I really liked Groddil, though, by the way... ;D
Hmm well I would definately say that Groddil was more of a main vermin than Badredd as he was the chief magician and thus fairly high ranking in the horde of Ungatt Trunn and he ends up killing him in the end. Badredd led what 8 or so vermin?? In a way you could also say the Rawback then was sort of a main vermin as well. Or what about the Flaghorn (spelling) who took a third of the force of Ungatt Trunn and sailed away.With Ruggan Bor he is definitely a unique case in that he is the only vermin leader to retain control over his horde and to not engage in an enormous and bloody battle. Clogg was once the captain of a corsair ship but by the end of the book was a slave. But in terms of overall vermin and even main vermin survival that would would definitely be in Brocktree with the Blue hordes as at least 2000+ survived with the possibility of 5000+ if 2/3rds as opposed to 1/3 abandoned.
I guess the question is how do you define main vermin?? Main as in the leader of a horde or main as in a main character??
Definetely Slagar, very twisted and interesting. Chickenhound :)!
I sorta define main as horde leader. As in, Cluny the Scourge, Slagar the Cruel, Badrang, Clogg...and Asmodeus.
There's actually a decent amount of minor vermin who
Vilaya the sable queen she works alone ;D
Slagar! hes way underrated...
btw you should add a poll
the shade dude in the sable queen
I could go on for seasons talking about my favorite villains, however that doesn't keep me from telling!
Tsarmina: My first Redwall villain, and I think if I wasn't so attracted to her character I would have never picked up the other books. Also, being raised around cats made it easier to create a mental image of her and her family while reading Mossflower .
Slagar: I really didn't care about him at first, but after thinking about it for a while I realized how much I pitied him. Evil or not, nobeast deserves to be bitten by a snake.
Gabool: He reminded me of Sheogorath from the Elder Scrolls series.
Badrang: Like Slagar except I always liked him. I kid you not I obsess over him, I'm drawing a picture of him right now AND I have a nice new fanfiction somewhere in my backpack with him in it. I didn't like the Nelvana rendition of him though. He looked like a disgruntled gray wolf and toned down the anger and made him seem less "RAARGGH I'M GOING TO THROW A TABLE AT YOU!!" and more "Oooh look at me I'm the bad guy, rawr!".
Urgan and Silvamord: Brute force and cunning? Talk about a wicked duet! ...If they liked each other, that is.
Their you have it, folks! A newcomer's list of her favorite villains.
I have a new favourite villain. . .Vilu Daskar! He is so smart, but so evil. :-\ :D
Ferango the assasin is really cool
I also really liked Slagar.
Reason #1: Because he's a foxie. ;D
Reason #2: He's really smart.
Reason #3: He gets you feeling sorry for him. At first, he starts out as this heartless villain who gets his pleasure out of kidnapping dibbuns and selling them into slavery. After a while though, MATTIMEO SPOILER that he's really Chickenhound, and see how badly disfigured he is (in the show, anyway) you start to feel sorry for him, even though his "revenge" on Matthias is a bit extreme (I spent ten minutes explaining it to my dad while watching Mattimeo). It's the Darth Vader approach all over again. ;D
FERAGO THE ASSASIN
I like Badrang, but I also have a ton of others that I like.
Our favorite leaders were Gulo the Savage and Swartt Sixclaw.
Honestly, I can't pick just one.
1.) Badrang
2.) Cluny
3.) Sawney Rath
4.) Raga Bol
5.) Vilu Daskar
6.) Zwilt the Shade
7.) Ferahgo
Gabool. His insanity was interesting, and sometimes I had to laugh. Like that time when he hears the bell and has a fit, but it's actually searats throwing apple cores at the bell.
So last night I started re-reading Long Patrol...and finished it! Kind of. Have to admit...I got really impatient and decided to just skip to the parts about the villains, and just skimmed through everything else. ;) (Don't worry, I'll go back and re-read the whole thing later.) XD
But I have to say, I found myself VERY pleasantly surprised! I remembered Damug Warfang as a pretty mediocre, kind of uninteresting villain...I honestly kind of forgot about him. Coming back to it, though...of the books I've re-read so far, I think he's one of my very favorite characters! Definitely not very competent at all, but I think that's why he was so interesting to me? I got the impression this time that he was younger than I remembered, and I found him amusingly immature and almost naive. He never really accomplished anything, didn't seem to know what he was doing, and I swear actually threw tantrums. From the beginning when he cheated in order to seize power, up to the end when he just suddenly stopped the battle he was about to win, he basically behaved like a petulant, over-confident child, and it was pretty much completely amazing. How does he not get more attention from fans? XD
Quote from: Something Horrifying on November 28, 2012, 04:21:30 AM
So last night I started re-reading Long Patrol...and finished it! Kind of. Have to admit...I got really impatient and decided to just skip to the parts about the villains, and just skimmed through everything else. ;) (Don't worry, I'll go back and re-read the whole thing later.) XD
But I have to say, I found myself VERY pleasantly surprised! I remembered Damug Warfang as a pretty mediocre, kind of uninteresting villain...I honestly kind of forgot about him. Coming back to it, though...of the books I've re-read so far, I think he's one of my very favorite characters! Definitely not very competent at all, but I think that's why he was so interesting to me? I got the impression this time that he was younger than I remembered, and I found him amusingly immature and almost naive. He never really accomplished anything, didn't seem to know what he was doing, and I swear actually threw tantrums. From the beginning when he cheated in order to seize power, up to the end when he just suddenly stopped the battle he was about to win, he basically behaved like a petulant, over-confident child, and it was pretty much completely amazing. How does he not get more attention from fans? XD
Huh, I never noticed that before. Damug really didn't interest me the first time around, but maybe I should re-read
The Long Patrol and give him a second chance. You make him sound so funny and lovable!
Zwilt the Shade is one of my favorites.
I would have to say slagar and/or cluny
Quote from: Skalrag of Marshank on November 14, 2011, 11:45:08 PM
I also really liked Slagar.
Reason #1: Because he's a foxie. ;D
Reason #2: He's really smart.
Reason #3: He gets you feeling sorry for him. At first, he starts out as this heartless villain who gets his pleasure out of kidnapping dibbuns and selling them into slavery. After a while though, MATTIMEO SPOILER that he's really Chickenhound, and see how badly disfigured he is (in the show, anyway) you start to feel sorry for him, even though his "revenge" on Matthias is a bit extreme (I spent ten minutes explaining it to my dad while watching Mattimeo). It's the Darth Vader approach all over again. ;D
i totally agree with you !!! especially reason 1 ;)
Hmm... I don't think I can say who my favorite is, seeing as I don't remember half of them! Um, probably Ungatt Trunn, just because he's a wildcat. I didn't like him very much, but I like him more than Tsarmina.
I like Ungatt Trunn!
Um....i think mine would be cluny the scourge.
Urgan Nagru or Swartt Sixclaw
Ok, I've got to say I've noticed that nobody has even mentioned Zwilt the Shade, but I have also got to say that he is awesome!
Cluny the Scourge is also really great (and he looks good!) :-*
QuoteCluny the Scourge
Cluny's infamous reign of terror took him far and wide. The greatest vermin warlord of all time had killed countless creatures prior to Redwall; his name was legendary even in a remote a place as Redwall Abbey.
A born conqueror, Cluny's strategic genius and physical might, as a whole, are unmatched by any other villain in the series. All of his plans mirror real, historic battlefield tactics, and leave little to be desired in terms of innovation. His physical skill and power is great, with a victory over a pike to his credit (something that the water rat Gloomer failed to achieve). He rapidly overwhelms Matthias, in spite of possessing inferior weaponry and armor, just by virtue of being so fast, strong, and tough.
His mental disorders seem to be brought on by the equivalent of a haunting -- it was something that the warlord had clearly never experienced before, and that couldn't be reasonably attributed to a flaw in the rat's mental makeup. It's worth noting that even when dealing with the aftereffects of these nightmares, that the Scourge remains a competent and capable villain, giving out effective orders to his troops.
No complaints to be had here; if you've read Redwall you should know it all. Cluny the Scourge is one of the greatest villains, not only in Redwall but in modern literature.