My "friend" says that the tv series is for little kids!!!!! do you agree?
It certainly feels that way. It looks like a kid's cartoon and has plenty of goofy moments (Badrang: "At least I didn't have the gall to call the slaves my 'friends'!" Clogg: "They said they'd wash my T-shirts!"), and most telling they have almost all the deaths occur off-screen.
That's in contrast to the actual nature of Redwall, which is quite serious and can get pretty violent at times. Maybe it's the unique voices, but this definitely doesn't sound like your average cheery cartoon. Vermin die frequently in the books and in the series. It's a surprise then that in the first season, a downed vermin shows blood where he was hit. It's just a small bit, but I figure if they're willing to go that far, why not all the way? Maybe they got complaints from concerned parents. The cartoon always felt like it was skewing towards something more adult despite the efforts to make it for kids, which is disappointing because letting it be young adult might have made it better. This doesn't mean I want a lot of violence, just I don't want to see censorship as blatant.
I think whoever's old enough to read Redwall would be able to appreciate the cartoon. I hesitate to think very young kids would be able to get into it given the lack of comedy and how many deaths (or threats of death) there are. So, I do not believe it's for kids (especially not what happens in the third season), it's okay for young adults (maybe like 10 or 13), but it has the appearance of a kid's cartoon.
Wait a flipping sec me scout. A cartoon? Sweet flanso berries! If I knew this perhaps I shall watch it. Please what channel? The name of the channel. I mean, ahem. A catoon of redwall sounds kiddish. Think of it this way, Brian Jacques showed up in classrooms all over, to me, this suggests that he might have had kids in mind when he made his books. Particularly the stories the fumed slot, like the story about the winter badger. But weather the show is kiddy or not sounds more opinionated , to me anyway. But I beg you, what is the name of the channel the cation comes on ? I am tryin to be a big fan, I must know!
Just look it up on YouTube and you'll find all of the episodes there.
I think that a small child might be able to watch it without being terribly bothered, but I don't think they would understand it all that well. I personally think that they made it too tame.
Quote from: Folgrimeo on December 17, 2011, 07:28:53 PM
So, I do not believe it's for kids (especially not what happens in the third season), it's okay for young adults (maybe like 10 or 13), but it has the appearance of a kid's cartoon.
'What happened in the third season', as you call it, could have been worse. I think that it doesn't depend on how old the kid is, it's how mature they are. The series is definitely not for _little_ kids, but more because they wouldn't understand it, than because they would be scared or anything.
well,m the cartoon was created for children, no denying that, but im 18 and I secretly enjoyed the cartoon when I watched it earlier this year
Good on you. ;D
The series as it was created, is not for little kids, but definitely is not one of those darker animated ones like Secret of NIMH, or gruesome like Watership Down. If the kids are too young, they may not follow the storyline which you need to do to get what is going on. Its not that a new episode is something totally new which is common among young kids programs.
WAS SECRET OF THE NIMH A SERIES OF EPISODES?! I loved that movie when I was little! I recently started watership down but it's wierd with their gods and stuff. I like Redwall the best!I loved it and so did my younger brother because he cant read the books yet, I think older kids could watch it and enjoy it but it depends on who you are. I wish they did put blood in it though (not that I'm bloodthirsty or anything but to be more dramatic) SPOILER ALERT!even if in redwall they made matthias save cornflower from the watermill it made it more dramatic and the scene where badrang killed rose.
Secret of NIMH was a movie, never a series of episodes. Watership Down was both a movie from the 1970s and a TV series made around 2000.
Aha! Here at last is a place to put my rant about the tv series! :D :D :D Do not continue to read if you don't want to hear a rather boring speech about what I think of Redwall as a cartoon.
Still reading? Ok, well, I warned you! So here we go:
I think the Redwall cartoons are MUCH more geared towards kids. I mean, my 5 year old brother watched them with no problem. To me, Redwall should be a bit too "grown-up" for a person of that age. I also wish the cartoons (especially "Redwall") were a bit more true to the books. The battle scenes in "Redwall" are kinda......lame. Yeah. Just a bit. I mean, the "exciting scene" is where they have a view of the ditch on one side of the screen, and the battlements on the other, and a hail of arrows going back and forth--half going into the ditch, and half going toward the abbey. The battles in the books are MUCH more exciting and detailed. The gap between the books and the cartoons is pretty big in my mind. The books are fabulous. The cartoons, while not bad cartoons, are a far cry from the awesomeness of the books themselves. Actually, I was rather horrified recently when I discovered that some of my cousins had seen a good part of the cartoons, but had not read a single book! :o I kept saying "But the books are so much better!!!!!!"
That being said, I enjoyed "Martin the Warrior" pretty well. I liked being able to see Rose and Martin. I thought that was the best-done one out of all three...though it could just be because I don't like the books Mattimeo and Redwall as much as I do Martin the Warrior.
So anyway, that is my rant on the cartoons, and it feels much better to get it out. :P
Quote from: Dotti on January 02, 2012, 03:20:43 AM
Aha! Here at last is a place to put my rant about the tv series! :D :D :D Do not continue to read if you don't want to hear a rather boring speech about what I think of Redwall as a cartoon.
Still reading? Ok, well, I warned you! So here we go:
I think the Redwall cartoons are MUCH more geared towards kids. I mean, my 5 year old brother watched them with no problem. To me, Redwall should be a bit too "grown-up" for a person of that age. I also wish the cartoons (especially "Redwall") were a bit more true to the books. The battle scenes in "Redwall" are kinda......lame. Yeah. Just a bit. I mean, the "exciting scene" is where they have a view of the ditch on one side of the screen, and the battlements on the other, and a hail of arrows going back and forth--half going into the ditch, and half going toward the abbey. The battles in the books are MUCH more exciting and detailed. The gap between the books and the cartoons is pretty big in my mind. The books are fabulous. The cartoons, while not bad cartoons, are a far cry from the awesomeness of the books themselves. Actually, I was rather horrified recently when I discovered that some of my cousins had seen a good part of the cartoons, but had not read a single book! :o I kept saying "But the books are so much better!!!!!!"
That being said, I enjoyed "Martin the Warrior" pretty well. I liked being able to see Rose and Martin. I thought that was the best-done one out of all three...though it could just be because I don't like the books Mattimeo and Redwall as much as I do Martin the Warrior.
So anyway, that is my rant on the cartoons, and it feels much better to get it out. :P
My thoughts exactly, except that I think Redwall should be a child's book, but more geared towards 8 and up. Don't get me wrong, it is still an AMAZING book for adults as well, I just think since it was written more for children, it should be interesting and intense, but still appropriate for younger children. My little sister loved watching the cartoons, actually begged me to watch them with her, but I agree that the cartoon was bit cheesy.
Quote from: Dotti on January 02, 2012, 03:20:43 AM
I think the Redwall cartoons are MUCH more geared towards kids. I mean, my 5 year old brother watched them with no problem. To me, Redwall should be a bit too "grown-up" for a person of that age.
I'm going to stand firm on the idea that Redwall was made for people of all ages. Young or old, small or large, strong or weak, all are welcome at Redwall!
Now I happen to like the TV series because it was what started me on the books (well, it started my brother off liking them and he told me to read the books). I'm always wanting to spread Redwall cheer, and the TV series helped me do it with my siblings.
Is it for little kids? Well, not exactly. The animation may be more for kids but those who have the hearts for it would like it.
Very good, Musician.
Quote from: GeminyaTome on January 04, 2012, 08:18:24 PM
Quote from: Dotti on January 02, 2012, 03:20:43 AM
Aha! Here at last is a place to put my rant about the tv series! :D :D :D Do not continue to read if you don't want to hear a rather boring speech about what I think of Redwall as a cartoon.
Still reading? Ok, well, I warned you! So here we go:
I think the Redwall cartoons are MUCH more geared towards kids. I mean, my 5 year old brother watched them with no problem. To me, Redwall should be a bit too "grown-up" for a person of that age. I also wish the cartoons (especially "Redwall") were a bit more true to the books. The battle scenes in "Redwall" are kinda......lame. Yeah. Just a bit. I mean, the "exciting scene" is where they have a view of the ditch on one side of the screen, and the battlements on the other, and a hail of arrows going back and forth--half going into the ditch, and half going toward the abbey. The battles in the books are MUCH more exciting and detailed. The gap between the books and the cartoons is pretty big in my mind. The books are fabulous. The cartoons, while not bad cartoons, are a far cry from the awesomeness of the books themselves. Actually, I was rather horrified recently when I discovered that some of my cousins had seen a good part of the cartoons, but had not read a single book! :o I kept saying "But the books are so much better!!!!!!"
That being said, I enjoyed "Martin the Warrior" pretty well. I liked being able to see Rose and Martin. I thought that was the best-done one out of all three...though it could just be because I don't like the books Mattimeo and Redwall as much as I do Martin the Warrior.
So anyway, that is my rant on the cartoons, and it feels much better to get it out. :P
My thoughts exactly, except that I think Redwall should be a child's book, but more geared towards 8 and up. Don't get me wrong, it is still an AMAZING book for adults as well, I just think since it was written more for children, it should be interesting and intense, but still appropriate for younger children. My little sister loved watching the cartoons, actually begged me to watch them with her, but I agree that the cartoon was bit cheesy.
Umm, I'm not sure beheadings and poison are what kids should be reading about.
Well, they never showed anything graphic in the show, and Redwall is meant for kids over 9 or something.
Exactly...I'm not talking 5 year olds when I made my statement. I meant someone about 9 or older. "Little kids" implies like someone five or younger.
Quote from: Plugg Firetail on January 08, 2012, 05:49:54 PM
Umm, I'm not sure beheadings and poison are what kids should be reading about.
Well, of coarse, it's up to the parents to decide if a child should read them. But I don't see anything that is wrong with the violence in Redwall. I always think of it as something that teaches one good from evil, right from wrong.
But, seriously, little three year olds can turn on the TV or computer and watch anything. Some things worse then beheading and poison. At least when reading Redwall, it's a good piece of literature.
Quote from: Redwall Musician on January 11, 2012, 06:30:43 PM
Quote from: Plugg Firetail on January 08, 2012, 05:49:54 PM
Umm, I'm not sure beheadings and poison are what kids should be reading about.
Well, of coarse, it's up to the parents to decide if a child should read them. But I don't see anything that is wrong with the violence in Redwall. I always think of it as something that teaches one good from evil, right from wrong.
But, seriously, little three year olds can turn on the TV or computer and watch anything. Some things worse then beheading and poison. At least when reading Redwall, it's a good piece of literature.
Aye, you're right, Musician. Also, Redwall bothered me a bit when I read it, but I kept on reading them and I had no problem. I was ten.
I'd have to say the series is for kids.
It depends on what they can handle. I personally love it.
I've never seen it!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Tell me where I can find it now.
IT'S TOTALLY UNFAIR YOU ALL HAVE SEEN IT AND I HAVEN'T!!!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Quote from: MatthiasMan on April 05, 2012, 02:01:56 AM
I've never seen it!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Tell me where I can find it now.
IT'S TOTALLY UNFAIR YOU ALL HAVE SEEN IT AND I HAVEN'T!!!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
I haven't seen much.
You can see it on youtube!
Please keep it calm here, we don't need shouting posts.
MatthiasMan, he's right, it can be found on youtube. If you prefer a dvd copy, amazon.com carries Season 1 at a pretty low price. Both of these together make up the entire first season.
http://www.amazon.com/Redwall-Adventure-Begins-Tyrone-Savage/dp/B00330907I/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1333623086&sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.com/Redwall-Next-Adventure-Tyrone-Savage/dp/B004L1DB8M/ref=sr_1_2?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1333623086&sr=1-2
Definitely not for kids under 8. 10 is fine to me, though. I watched the movies and enjoyed them, wish they would make more.
Quote from: Lutra on April 05, 2012, 11:52:22 AM
Please keep it calm here, we don't need shouting posts.
MatthiasMan, he's right, it can be found on youtube. If you prefer a dvd copy, amazon.com carries Season 1 at a pretty low price. Both of these together make up the entire first season.
http://www.amazon.com/Redwall-Adventure-Begins-Tyrone-Savage/dp/B00330907I/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1333623086&sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.com/Redwall-Next-Adventure-Tyrone-Savage/dp/B004L1DB8M/ref=sr_1_2?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1333623086&sr=1-2
I need to order that. I think it's appropriate for kids. Watched a little on you tube. Nothing wrong with it and tis totally kid proof except for all the dying.
My 8-year-old sister was okay with watching it. I would say no to anyone under six or seven, but anyone over that would probably be okay.
My used-yo-be 8 year old brothers watched it... TWICE! It's not bad.
They should have shown more blood
Well, if they showed a little bit of blood, they may as well have shown lots, and then, BAM! It's not a kids' show anymore.
I know, but the battles get pretty graphic in the books, there's no denying that.
My nephew is seven--he's reading the Redwall series now. Once I finish re-reading one of the books, I pass it along to him. He's on Mossflower now.
He's seen the show, and he thinks it's a poor treatment of the books. He says, and I quote. "Redwall is for older kids--howcome the cartoon isn't like that?"
So there's your answer, from the mouths of babes.
Yea... I'm fifteen so it's a bit of work tryin' to watch the show (haven't even finished the first season!)
I think the animation in the show is great.
And your how old?
why?
Cause when you are younger, you can watch things without people thinking you are weird, if I watch the Redwall animation when someone is watching ME than they will think there is something wrong with me.
Sorry, I don't give out my age online.
Welll good for you!
Thanks?? I guess.. Lol. I still like to watch cartoons, not all, but some
Well I certainly cannot tell I love them A friend of mine his little brother read Mossflower and Redwall I asked him a bunch of question's he got them all right even when he is just six woooooooooooooooooooowwwwwww
I watch some cartoons, I even have a few on my Netflix account (Including Redwall). So I think these are for all ages in my opinion.
Age matters not when you watch the series, dannflor. You can be 7, 17, 77....its still a magical treat into the realm of Brian Jacques, despite its shortcomings. :)
I got into the Redwall series because of my love for animals... I've loved animals ever since I can remember. Other members in my family like animals, but mainly it's my mom and I who are the real animal lovers in the family.
No, it would be cruel to the kids.
I'm nearly 61 and love the books and the shows. I just watched them on nexflix. Redwall is very addictive and i really don't care. I only wish i could really live there.
Hm.... To put my age or not... I do not wanna get STALKED. Anyways... I love 'em! Right now I'm looking for an animation program. *Hint hint* I could easily live in Redwall. Well, except for the 'no violence at all' thing.... What? DON'T JUDGE MEH!
I don't care if the show is for little kids, cause I'll keep watching it! ;D
Quote from: Lutra on April 18, 2012, 01:00:53 AM
Age matters not when you watch the series, dannflor. You can be 7, 17, 77....its still a magical treat into the realm of Brian Jacques, despite its shortcomings. :)
He has not watched it he has only read about the whole series
As Tiria Wildlough said, it dosn't depend on how old the children are, but how mature they are. They would have to understand the reall meaning of death to truly understand. This is how I see it: you can determine if certein movies with death in them are okay for children by there understanding of death.
I think that its a clean way to show Redwall on the big screen.
This is kind of off topic, but I think if Redwall was in the comedy genre, it'd be a little like The Suite Life of Zack and Cody. I can picture the intro showing the characters in the abbey rooms like the intro does with the hotel.
To get back on topic, I recommend the show for ages ten and up
Absolutely not! Even though it was probably made for a younger audience, I have some friends who miss the show, and I remember watching it as an early teenager...
Also, don't forget, the Redwall series are technically 'children's books', right? Yet many adults, such as myself, love the wonderful word Brian Jacques has created. :)
I think it is made for all fans, young and old. Redwall is ageless. :)
Agreed, just like Disney :)
Nah, not like Disney. Redwall is way better.
*shrugs* to each their own.
The Redwall TV series is not just for kids, I think that teens watch it the most and any redwall fan.
My brother loves it, and he's 28
If I made the movies of some of the Redwall books, I'd include all of the violence thats in the books. For example: Of the movie of Martin the Warrior, I'd keep the scene where that Ferret (was it a ferret?) gets a javlin in his mouth. I'd just rate the movie PG for violence. The real movie of Martin the Warrior is rated PG (at least in some places) for showing some of the charactors get hit with arrows and other wepons. But it dosn't contain half the violence thats in the book.
Some people can only stomach so much blood 'n' gore. Would you repeatedly be able to watch scenes such as that ferret with a javelin protruding from his mouth, blood spurting everywhere? :-\
I dunno, some people can watch R-rated movies. In order to be true to the story, a Redwall movie would have to be rated M for violence.