So, who do you guys think will win this fight?
I like Martin, boar was cool too and taught Martin some sword skills so I'm in the middle.
Boar was bigger and stronger, so he would have won. ;)
Keep in mind Martin and Boar did duel in Mossflower, and Boar easily disarmed the mouse warrior and spent a large portion of the day training him with the use of his newly forged sword.
As such, I'd go with Boar the Fighter.
Boar, no question. Bigger, stronger and he taught Martin all he knew. Really, he was a better warrior than Martin at he time of his death. If Martin took on thousands of searats, even if hehad bloodwrath, i think he wouldn't survive nearly as long as Boar did Also for the reason mentioned above by ToR, which I had not thought about.
Boar, i dont think he taught Martin all the sword tricks he knew plus Boar was a born fighter and he was bigger and stronger, he was clever so even after all the tricks he taught Martin he could probably still beat Martin
Poor martin, noone has faith in him:p
I have faith in Martin, at least he became a guiding spirit to Redwall when he died, Boar didn't become a spirit to guide salamondastron, as o matter o fact none of the badger lords did. whoever did this thread should've done something like Martin the warrior vs. Matthias or Boar vs. Lady Cregga.
Yes but Salamandastron never needed a spirit to guide them, they always saw the enemy coming either from the mountain or on a patrol
Quote from: Skipper on January 01, 2012, 10:24:42 AM
Yes but Salamandastron never needed a spirit to guide them, they always saw the enemy coming either from the mountain or on a patrol
Boar would still win, though, because he taught Martin, and still had a lot of tricks to spare. Besides, he was just bigger and stronger.
All badgers are considered the strongest of all the animals. They always come to the top. The only badger that ever "failed" to win, that I can remember, was Lord Brocktree's father. Martin was a champion sword master, but a badger always wins.
QuoteAll badgers are considered the strongest of all the animals. They always come to the top. The only badger that ever "failed" to win, that I can remember, was Lord Brocktree's father. Martin was a champion sword master, but a badger always wins.
Slipp an average sea rat killed Mellus with a kitchen knife.
ah good point!
yes but mother mellus was no warrior and was not armed, she was taken by suprise
Quoteyes but mother mellus was no warrior
Neither is Slipp.
Quoteand was not armed,
She was probably twice his size.
Quoteshe was taken by suprise
Actually she jumped Slipp when he threatened the dibbuns so she just got owned fair and square. :P
being twice his size dosen't change the fact that he was armed and she wasn't, slipp was a searat so he probably killed alot unlike mellus, what i ment instead of being taken by suprise is slipp had a dagger in his hand so it was easy for him to kill mellus or you could say quick reactions
Quotebeing twice his size dosen't change the fact that he was armed and she wasn't,
She could have easily broken his neck.
Quoteslipp was a searat so he probably killed alot unlike mellus,
Yes fish, birds, and the defenseless.
Quotewhat i ment instead of being taken by suprise is slipp had a dagger in his hand so it was easy for him to kill mellus or you could say quick reactions
Still if badgers always won then she should have ripped the kitchen knife out of her chest and slice Slipps skull in half.
Mother Mellus was quite old at the time, so it is a lot like Cregga's death. She was weak due to age, so she probably couldn't just take out the dagger and kill Slipp as the dagger would have done the damage quicker.
Also, Redwallers are peaceful, so Mellus's first thoughts wouldn't be to destroy Slipp.
Finally, Mellus was no Boar the Fighter. Boar was a powerful warrior, Mellus was a dibbun nursemaid. Think about that. If Slipp came head to head with Boar, he would have been killed at first sight.
QuoteMother Mellus was quite old at the time, so it is a lot like Cregga's death.
I don't think Slipp was the youngest of creatures either plus he probably didn't have the most healthy life style. He loved to chug down alcohol and he presumably ate food low in nutrients being a sea rat and all.
QuoteShe was weak due to age, so she probably couldn't just take out the dagger and kill Slipp as the dagger would have done the damage quicker.
No the reason she could not take it out was because she died instantly.
QuoteAlso, Redwallers are peaceful, so Mellus's first thoughts wouldn't be to destroy Slipp.
Not to sure about that most badger mothers were rather violent, threaten a young-un and their attitude just gets worse.
QuoteFinally, Mellus was no Boar the Fighter. Boar was a powerful warrior, Mellus was a dibbun nursemaid.
And Slipp ain't no Martin, Slipp was an average sea rat Martin was a skilled warrior.
QuoteThink about that. If Slipp came head to head with Boar, he would have been killed at first sight.
Martin would hypothetically have no problems killing Mellus either.
if i remembr correctly mother mellus died because she leaped at slipp who already had the dagger out and all he had to do was turn around and point the blade towards her, she had no chance to defend herself.
Also female badgers don't normally have the detemination that male badgers have, for example gorath the flame survived the journey even though he had a head wound which was infected and no food not much sleep and abit of water, if it was a female they probably would have died.
i wouldn't call them violent, just protective.Slipp didnt need to be martin the warrior, it was an easy kill.
Martin was a born fighter and a natural swordsman. He was also experienced in hand to hand combat. Boar the fighter however, was a seasoned warrior who had been in many battles before. a height advantage over martin was also important for boar the fighter to win. Martin being small, and quick on his feet helped to give him a speed advantage over Boar the fighter. Although, we must not forget that Boar taught Martin the skill of de-arming your opponent;Boar could easily use that strategy against him. All in all, I'm always on Martin's side through and through. This battle with Boar the fighter truly made him legendary and further heightened his ranking and reputation as a warrior.
Quoteif i remembr correctly mother mellus died because she leaped at slipp who already had the dagger out and all he had to do was turn around and point the blade towards her, she had no chance to defend herself.
Same thing could happen to boar if he gives into the bloodwrath.
QuoteAlso female badgers don't normally have the detemination that male badgers have,
Cregga and Constance were pretty headstrong, besides what good does determination do in a fight?
Quotefor example gorath the flame survived the journey even though he had a head wound which was infected and no food not much sleep and abit of water, if it was a female they probably would have died.
Gortah was an exceptional member of his species judging by the X amount "OMG hes even bigger than Asheye!"
Quotei wouldn't call them violent, just protective.
Bad temper+ Hate of Vermin+Vermin that threatens a redwall child=.......
QuoteSlipp didnt need to be martin the warrior, it was an easy kill.
And Slipp should have been an easy kill since Blaggut easily strangled him to death!
badgers with the bloodwrath can keep going even if they were stabbed.
determination keeps you going and not giving up.
size dosent make a difference all the time.
they are protective not violent, if your not sure what they mean look them up.
slipp turned around with the dagger facing mellus=bye bye mellus, slipp was taken by supprise and shocked that blaggut was strangling him, he was too shocked to do anything.
Quotebadgers with the bloodwrath can keep going even if they were stabbed.
Not if its a vital area, the durability of badgers is overestimated.
Quotedetermination keeps you going and not giving up.
So does fear, anger, insanity, ect.
Quotesize dosent make a difference all the time.
In close combat it does.
Quotethey are protective not violent, if your not sure what they mean look them up.
Mellus hates vermin there is vermin waving a knife at a pair of kids, Mellus would at least have the instinct to smack him across then face and she couldn't even achieved that!
Quoteslipp turned around with the dagger facing mellus=bye bye mellus,
No she tackled him and then got stabbed.
Quoteslipp was taken by supprise
Slipp was smashing his head with a branch first.
Quoteand shocked that blaggut was strangling him, he was too shocked to do anything.
For a whole minute? Because that how long it usually take for someone to die from suffocation. Most people would be able to get out of that fairly easily but Blaggut was able to pull it off without any serious injuries.
yes but mellus was obviously stabbed in a vital area then.
yes they do keep you going but so does determination which you said 'what does that have to do with it'.
not all the time.
that dosen mak her violent.
yes she tackled him but before they hit the ground he stabbed her.
yes but he didnt expect blaggut to strangle him.
just because it normally takes a minute to strangle someone dosen mean it took a minute for blaggut to strangle slipp, remember we are on about animals not humans.
Quotenot all the time.
Yes it does, it gives you a longer reach and a strength advantage.
Quoteyes but he didnt expect blaggut to strangle him.
A random guy on the street suddenly tackles you to the ground and starts punching you, are you just going to lie there and slowly get beaten to death?
Quotejust because it normally takes a minute to strangle someone dosen mean it took a minute for blaggut to strangle slipp, remember we are on about animals not humans.
Humans have extremely weak necks making them one of easiest if not easiest animals to choke, rats have pretty strong necks so they would be harder to suffocate(if they were the same size.)
yes but if youre smaller you can get closer and finish your opponent.
it wasen't a andom guy though, slipp was shocked because he had always bullied blaggut and blaggut always did what he was told, he never saw it coming.
if would be easier for a rat to strangle a rat then a human to strangle a human.
Quoteyes but if youre smaller you can get closer and finish your opponent.
A longer reach nullify's that.
Quoteit wasen't a andom guy though, slipp was shocked because he had always bullied blaggut and blaggut always did what he was told, he never saw it coming.
Okay so you would less surprised if a random dude punched you in the face, rather than a guy you been picking on for months?
Quoteif would be easier for a rat to strangle a rat then a human to strangle a human.
Where are you getting this from? Rats have stronger necks, a vicious bite, and long claws(in the book series) chocking out a rat would be incredibly difficult.
unless you can slip past them to get closer.
blaggut hadn't been picking on slipp it was the other way round.
it was easy in the book which is where im coming from.
Quoteunless you can slip past them to get closer.
Unlikely.
Quoteblaggut hadn't been picking on slipp it was the other way round.
I never said Blaggut picked on Slipp.
Quoteit was easy in the book which is where im coming from.
And common sense dictates that Slipp sucked at fighting making the "badger destroys everything" statement untrue.
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Quote from: mattimouse20 on January 06, 2012, 06:45:08 PM
Martin was a born fighter and a natural swordsman. He was also experienced in hand to hand combat. Boar the fighter however, was a seasoned warrior who had been in many battles before. a height advantage over martin was also important for boar the fighter to win. Martin being small, and quick on his feet helped to give him a speed advantage over Boar the fighter. Although, we must not forget that Boar taught Martin the skill of de-arming your opponent;Boar could easily use that strategy against him. All in all, I'm always on Martin's side through and through. This battle with Boar the fighter truly made him legendary and further heightened his ranking and reputation as a warrior.
I agree I love Martin! ;D
Why are we arguing about Blaggut when this is about Martin and Boar?
Boar would win
MARTIN
He might not be as strong as boar but he's swift and intelligent.
Martin the warrior! hands down! yes,Boar is a highly experienced warrior and shares an ancestry with some of the fiercest badger-lords in moss flower. But, Martin is also very skilled in combat and his short,limber demeanor would definitely come in handy in a fight! with his speed, he could easily dodge,parry and deflect each of Boars incoming strikes with relative ease! Besides, size isn't everything in a fight.
Boar the Fighter: thats is sooooooooooooo obviouse!
Boar...sorry MtW (the user) but Boar taught him and was wiser.
I'm really in the middle. I think it would depend on where they fought. If it were in Salamandastron Boar would win because he new the mountain like the back of his hand. If it were in the Abbey (once it was built) Martin would win because he new it like the back of HIS hand.
Quote from: 321tumbler on February 21, 2013, 02:28:16 PM
I'm really in the middle. I think it would depend on where they fought. If it were in Salamandastron Boar would win because he new the mountain like the back of his hand. If it were in the Abbey (once it was built) Martin would win because he new it like the back of HIS hand.
Yes and no, what if they fought on the plain/flat land?
The odds aren't really fair, so I'm not gonna say who I think will win. But I like Martin better, not because I think he'll win or because I think Boar will win, I just like him better. ;D
Boar is bigger and stronger so that gives him an advantage.
timidly: Hey guys? I know it's not really my business, but it seems that things could easily get a little out of hand here. Maybe we could all just agree to disagree? I mean, we're all entitled to our own opinions, right? Speakin' of which, I think that if Martin and Boar got in a battle, they would both be pretty severely wounded, though Boar less so.
No worries Kit, all in good hands. This is a Discussion topic. :D
I'd have to go with Boar.
Quote from: Leatho Shellhound on March 05, 2013, 01:12:45 PM
No worries Kit, all in good hands. This is a Discussion topic. :D
Thanks for the reassurance! I just hate it when nice people argue, esp. over silly things.
Isn't it obviouse...Boar would win! He's like three times bigger than Martin and like ten times stronger! Even though Martin is a great warrior, he wouldn't stand a chance againsed Boar the Fighter!
Martin! He has
1. An unbreakable sword
2. He is smaller and more agile
3. His father taught him, and so did Boar
4. He has the will to live, Boar doesn't exactly, because most badgers don't care if they die as long as they kill a lot of vermin.
Quote from: Shadowed One on April 30, 2013, 05:30:09 PM
Martin! He has
1. An unbreakable sword
2. He is smaller and more agile
3. His father taught him, and so did Boar
4. He has the will to live, Boar doesn't exactly, because most badgers don't care if they die as long as they kill a lot of vermin.
But he dosn't have the skill of battle that Boar has. And Boar is like, 3 times larger and 10 times stronger. Also, if they were having a duel, of corse, Boar would try to win, since he would be trying to kill just one creature.
It really depends on at what time martin would fight him. During Mossflower Martin was really only an apprentice compared to Boar. But remember his skill with that blade in Legend of Luke? I sure Boar still would give him a good fight, but the speed and skill with which he wielded the greatest sword of all time....Sorry Boar, but Martin would win.
I would have to go with Martin. Martin was not as mature when he dueled with Boar, and was still getting used to the sword. Plus, I believe that if Martin's small size would make it harder for Boar to strike, especially if the Bloodwrath took over him.
Boar
Why doesn't this topic have a poll?
Edit: The person who started this topic doesn't even get on anymore
Someone should start a poll on this.