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Title: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Jukka the Sling on August 23, 2015, 01:37:35 AM
Here's where we discuss all things Silmarillion. 

I've already read the book once, and I hope to buy the hardcover illustrated edition soon.

For those who are unfamiliar with this book, it's basically the prequel to The Lord of the Rings, but in the form of a history, not a novel.  It's fascinating, rather dark and violent, and a must-read.

Anyway, to start off the thread, here's two cool fan-made pics of the Valar and Maiar:

(http://orig11.deviantart.net/2245/f/2014/190/d/4/the_silmarillion__the_valar___couples_version_by_wolfanita-d7pwa5f.jpg)
(Link to original deviantArt image.  Click on pic to zoom in.) (http://wolfanita.deviantart.com/art/The-Silmarillion-The-Valar-Couples-Version-466759779)

(http://pre08.deviantart.net/8ab1/th/pre/i/2014/225/7/4/the_silmarillion__the_maiar_by_wolfanita-d7v1ry9.jpg)
(Link to original deviantArt image.  Click on pic to zoom in.) (http://wolfanita.deviantart.com/art/The-Silmarillion-The-Maiar-475414209)

So, discuss away!

Firstly, who actually owns a copy of this book?
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Delthion on August 23, 2015, 01:41:17 AM
I own a copy, but I hardly remember any of it... ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Jukka the Sling on August 23, 2015, 01:41:47 AM
That I already know. ;D
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Ashenwyte on August 23, 2015, 03:00:11 AM
I used to own a copy on my Kindle, but it (and all my other books) got deleted when I had to make a new account. :(
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Jukka the Sling on August 23, 2015, 04:06:38 AM
Why'd you have to make a new account?  (You mean an Amazon account, right?)
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: rrrrr on August 23, 2015, 04:39:34 AM
I have it on my kindle, I think?
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Ashenwyte on August 23, 2015, 06:13:37 AM
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on August 23, 2015, 04:06:38 AM
Why'd you have to make a new account?  (You mean an Amazon account, right?)

For some reason I wasn't able to buy books with my old account.
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Jukka the Sling on August 23, 2015, 02:25:46 PM
Quote from: rrrrr on August 23, 2015, 04:39:34 AM
I have it on my kindle, I think?
Cool.  You should read it.  Be warned: it's rather depressing in a lot of places.

Quote from: Lord_Ashenwyte on August 23, 2015, 06:13:37 AM
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on August 23, 2015, 04:06:38 AM
Why'd you have to make a new account?  (You mean an Amazon account, right?)

For some reason I wasn't able to buy books with my old account.
Strange.  Maybe you could contact Amazon support?

Anyway, who are you guys' favorite characters?  Mine are Maedhros and Finrod, though there are many other awesome characters as well.
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Firehawke on August 28, 2015, 07:17:08 PM
Love the images!

I have the book...actually read it for a class (and LoTR for a different class taught by the same teacher) a number of years ago and I'm slowly working my way through it again (taking a break...need lighter reading right now).
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Cornflower MM on August 30, 2015, 06:18:41 PM
I tried reading it. . . . I couldn't. Nearly put me to sleep. Maybe I'll try again. :)
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Jukka the Sling on September 04, 2015, 12:11:21 AM
Quote from: Firehawke on August 28, 2015, 07:17:08 PM
Love the images!

I have the book...actually read it for a class (and LoTR for a different class taught by the same teacher) a number of years ago and I'm slowly working my way through it again (taking a break...need lighter reading right now).
Cool!

Quote from: Cornflower MM on August 30, 2015, 06:18:41 PM
I tried reading it. . . . I couldn't. Nearly put me to sleep. Maybe I'll try again. :)
Yes, you should.  It will forever change your entire view of LotR.
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Amber on September 04, 2015, 02:34:59 AM
I might read it after I finish LotR. I'm not really sure.
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Dawnwing on September 08, 2015, 06:38:12 AM
I tried reading it, but reached a point where I just couldn't get farther into it, and ended up reaching the number-of-renewals limit at the library.
I've got my own copy now, found it at the used-book sale at this summer's church picnic.  I'll try again at some point.
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Vilu Daskar on September 08, 2015, 02:54:32 PM
I never read it because when ever I want to read it my sister is reading it. It seems like that's all she reads.
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Ashenwyte on September 08, 2015, 03:48:58 PM
Quote from: Vilu Daskar on September 08, 2015, 02:54:32 PM
I never read it because when ever I want to read it my sister is reading it. It seems like that's all she reads.

You could borrow one from your local library or get yourself an e-copy.
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Vilu Daskar on September 09, 2015, 02:32:24 PM
I'm to lazy to do that.
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Ashenwyte on September 09, 2015, 02:45:02 PM
Quote from: Vilu Daskar on September 09, 2015, 02:32:24 PM
I'm to lazy to do that.

It takes a few clicks if you're buying online.
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Vilu Daskar on September 09, 2015, 08:01:34 PM
My sister owns it why would I buy it?
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Jukka the Sling on September 09, 2015, 08:52:15 PM
Quote from: Vilu Daskar on September 09, 2015, 08:01:34 PM
My sister owns it why would I buy it?
Why don't you tell her you want to read it, then?  If she's anything like me, she would be more than happy to have you read it so she'll have someone to obsess over it with.
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Vilu Daskar on September 09, 2015, 08:55:59 PM
She knows I want to read it and she already obsesses over it with anyone who will listen.
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Jukka the Sling on September 11, 2015, 12:49:35 AM
Quote from: Vilu Daskar on September 09, 2015, 08:55:59 PM
She knows I want to read it and she already obsesses over it with anyone who will listen.
I think your sister and I would get along beautifully. ;D  I'm always going on about some small and probably-inconsequential Silmarillion fact.

But seriously, tell her you really wanna read it.  Not sure what other advice I can give...


Anyway, I found some Silmarillion art!

Art

(http://tolkiengateway.net/w/images/8/80/Kimberly_-_Aiwendil.jpg)

It's Aiwendil, the Maia who was sent to Middle-earth as Radagast the Brown!  He's actually really cute... and so is the little hedgehog in the corner.  *Dies of awesomeness overload*

(http://tolkiengateway.net/w/images/d/d5/Kimberly_-_Beren_and_Luthien.jpg)

Beren and Luthien!  I don't care for the way Beren looks, but it's an awesome picture nonetheless.  Luthien looks kind of like Susan Pevensie...

More art by the same person. (http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Images_by_Kimberly)
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Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Vilu Daskar on September 11, 2015, 12:50:53 AM
I don't think she has ever finished it.
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Jukka the Sling on October 04, 2015, 04:36:32 PM
^ Really?  Hmm...

Anyway, I found another great Tolkien artist! http://steamey.deviantart.com/gallery/41578982/Tolkien

And then, of course, there's the fantastic Jenny Dolfen, whom I've known about for a while: http://gold-seven.deviantart.com/gallery
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Ashenwyte on October 06, 2015, 10:35:57 AM
(http://pre02.deviantart.net/2848/th/pre/f/2013/031/6/4/silmarillion_melkor_and_annatar_by_daswhox-d5tdc8p.png)

Sauron and Melkor.
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Jukka the Sling on October 06, 2015, 06:41:53 PM
Interesting.  I'm not sure I like the style, though - it's rather chaotic, and the picture itself is kind of creepy.
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Cornflower MM on October 06, 2015, 07:21:18 PM
But the chaoticness makes you closer, and what's creepy about it?
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Jukka the Sling on October 06, 2015, 07:34:02 PM
Do you mean the chaoticness makes you LOOK closer?  I'm assuming you meant that. :P

I don't know... it's something about the color choices, particularly, and Sauron's face and the chaos.  A combination of things.
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Cornflower MM on October 06, 2015, 07:39:10 PM
*Facepalm* Yes. That's what I meant.

Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Ashenwyte on October 06, 2015, 11:59:03 PM
I think the chaos fits perfectly. I can't get over the ridiculousness of Morgoth's shoulder pauldron or whatever it is. It's ridiculous.
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Jukka the Sling on November 04, 2015, 07:56:15 PM
Bump!

My copy of the Silmarillion (which I ordered with a gift card I've had for over THREE YEARS) arrived today!  It's the hardcover second edition (I think), illustrated by Ted Nasmith.  (Does anyone else have this edition?)  Anyway, I'm super happy. ;D

Also, I'm in the process of writing an angsty AU oneshot featuring Maedhros and Maglor.  (Aren't the sons of FĂ«anor such interesting characters?)
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Jukka the Sling on January 07, 2016, 08:58:32 PM
I have to share this adorable picture of Maglor with Elrond and Elros (and Maedhros in the background).  (Also, I'm scandalized that my browser's auto-spellcheck recognizes Elrond as a word but not the others!)

As Little Might Be Thought, by Jenny Dolfen

(https://goldseven.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/aslittle_col.jpg?w=656)
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*squees*  Isn't it awesome?!
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Amber on January 07, 2016, 09:53:59 PM
That is so adorable! I love it! :D
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Vilu Daskar on January 07, 2016, 10:07:44 PM
::)
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Delthion on January 07, 2016, 10:37:25 PM
For once Vilu...I agree with you. ;D
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Amber on January 07, 2016, 11:04:04 PM
Quote from: Vilu Daskar on January 07, 2016, 10:07:44 PM
::)
What?
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Jukka the Sling on January 07, 2016, 11:18:05 PM
*gasp*  HOW COULD YOU BE IMMUNE TO THE AMAZINGNESS OF THAT PAINTING?!
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Delthion on January 08, 2016, 03:07:07 AM
Quite easily as a matter of fact! ;D
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Vilu Daskar on January 08, 2016, 07:28:16 PM
We're Dwarves.
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Amber on January 08, 2016, 09:28:29 PM
Just 'cause you're a dwarf doesn't mean you can't see the awesomeness of an awesome picture!
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Vilu Daskar on January 08, 2016, 09:31:41 PM
Dwarves don't like elves.
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Amber on January 08, 2016, 09:33:57 PM
You can still like a picture of Elves.
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Delthion on January 08, 2016, 11:23:22 PM
I prefer the Elves more than the Dwarves, but I don't like that picture.
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Amber on January 09, 2016, 09:59:39 PM
Why don't you like the picture?
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Delthion on January 09, 2016, 10:59:10 PM
It looks rather cheesy...
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Jukka the Sling on January 09, 2016, 11:22:03 PM
But it's Maglor being sweet and awesome to the twins while his poor brother Maedhros stands alone in the distance because he probably feels guilty about everything.  How can that not be awesome?

Oh, wait.  You're one of those strange lifeforms known as "boys," so you'll never understand the emotional ways of fangirls. ;D
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Amber on January 09, 2016, 11:34:45 PM
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on January 09, 2016, 11:22:03 PM
Oh, wait.  You're one of those strange lifeforms known as "boys," so you'll never understand the emotional ways of fangirls. ;D
Haha! ;D
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Delthion on January 10, 2016, 12:21:43 AM
;D ;D ;D ;D

Of course, if you had been my sisters I would have rent you asunder. ;D
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Jetthebinturong on January 10, 2016, 12:30:56 AM
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on January 09, 2016, 11:22:03 PM
But it's Maglor being sweet and awesome to the twins while his poor brother Maedhros stands alone in the distance because he probably feels guilty about everything.  How can that not be awesome?

Oh, wait.  You're one of those strange lifeforms known as "boys," so you'll never understand the emotional ways of fangirls. ;D

Guys invented fangirling with things like Star Wars, Star Trek and Indiana Jones.

Personally I'm a massive fanboy of Skulduggery Pleasant, Bartimaeus, Percy Jackson and The Shadowhunter Chronicles.
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Jukka the Sling on January 10, 2016, 02:24:41 AM
Quote from: Delthion on January 10, 2016, 12:21:43 AM
;D ;D ;D ;D

Of course, if you had been my sisters I would have rent you asunder. ;D
Lol. ;D

@Jet:  Okay, maybe, but generally speaking it's girls who get really emotionally invested in fictional things. ;D
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Ashenwyte on January 10, 2016, 03:57:34 AM
I would beg to differ. "Gamer" kids raging at losses is a subject which is all over YouTube.
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Delthion on January 10, 2016, 03:41:54 PM
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on January 10, 2016, 02:24:41 AM
Quote from: Delthion on January 10, 2016, 12:21:43 AM
;D ;D ;D ;D

Of course, if you had been my sisters I would have rent you asunder. ;D
Lol. ;D

@Jet:  Okay, maybe, but generally speaking it's girls who get really emotionally invested in fictional things. ;D

Oh yeah right. I cried when I thought that Frodo and Sam were going to die,
Don't read if you are reading Beyond the Summerland.
and in the first book of a series when the main character died I felt very very nauseous!
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Now tell me that guys don't get emotionally invested in fictional things! ;D
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Jukka the Sling on January 10, 2016, 05:32:04 PM
@Ash:  I was thinking more along the lines of emotionally investing in the characters of a book or movie.

@Del:  Wait, you cried?!  Softy. ;D  (That was when you were like eleven and you were reading the books, right?)

What book series was that?

And anyway, I said generally speaking. One or two exceptions don't nullify the generalization. ;D
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Delthion on January 10, 2016, 05:48:50 PM
It was The Binding Blade Chronicles, the book was Beyond the Summerland. And yes that was when I was eleven...I vowed to never read anymore of the Binding Blade Chronicles. And have kept that even today! So I have no idea what happens afterwards.
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Jukka the Sling on January 10, 2016, 06:04:50 PM
Lol.

I was asking if you were eleven when you cried while reading LotR. :P
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Ashenwyte on January 10, 2016, 11:50:36 PM
Quote from: Delthion on January 10, 2016, 05:48:50 PM
It was The Binding Blade Chronicles, the book was Beyond the Summerland. And yes that was when I was eleven...I vowed to never read anymore of the Binding Blade Chronicles. And have kept that even today! So I have no idea what happens afterwards.

Why did you do that? It seems to be a fantastic series, based on the fact that it made you show emotion. (Unless the bad writing made you cry)

@Jukka: It's still fictional and they're still emotionally invested. There are many other examples of fanboys out there, but it's early in the morning and my brain isn't functioning as well as I'd like it to.
Title: Re: The Silmarillion Discussion Thread
Post by: Delthion on January 11, 2016, 04:30:48 AM
It upset me enough, and I liked that character enough to hold a grudge against the author! ;D