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Redwall Guide to D&D Alignments

Started by Blaggut, March 29, 2016, 04:25:05 AM

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Blaggut

Here are listed the alignments of Redwall species (on a general basis) via Dungeons and Dragons alignments.

The way these are organized is by Good (a moral beast), Evil (an immoral beast), or Neutral (one that looks out for himself or leans both ways) preceded by Chaotic (Less lawful and/or honorable, think: cowboys and outlaws) Lawful (follows laws or does not openly disobey them, a police officer or a crooked buisnessman) and Neutral (Does both). Neutral Neutral is also called True Neutral.


Badgers
Lawful Good

Bats
??? Good

Dormice
Lawful Good

Hares
Lawful Good

Hedgehogs
Lawful Good

Mice
Lawful Good

Moles
Lawful Good

Otters
Lawful Good

Rabbits
Lawful Good

Shrews
Chaotic Good

Pygmy Shrews
Chaotic Neutral

Squirrels
Neutral Good

Voles
Lawful Neutral

Wildcats
Chaotic Evil

Feral Cats
Chaotic Neutral

Housecats
??? Good

Ermine
Chaotic Evil

Ferrets
Chaotic Neutral

Foxes
Chaotic Evil

Pine Martens
Chaotic Evil

Rats
Chaotic Neutral

Reptiles
True Neutral

Stoats
Chaotic Evil

Wearets
Chaotic Evil

Weasels
Chaotic Neutral

Wolverines
Chaotic Evil

Ravens, Crows, etc
Chaotic Evil

Other Birds
True Neutral



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Captain Tammo

I've played a little D&D before - this kind of makes me wish there was a campaign for Redwall!

Also, idk why you put housecats as good. Those things are pure chaotic evil through and through. My neighbor has a cat and I swear nothing about that thing is nice, lol
"Cowards die a thousand times, a warrior only dies once. The spirits of all you have slain are watching you, Vilu Daskar, and they will rest in peace now that your time has come. You must die as you have lived, a coward to the last!" -Luke the warrior

James Gryphon

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The only domestic cat we see is Julian Gingivere, so by definition that makes them good. I'd consider him probably Lawful.

The changes I'd make:
Otters - Neutral Good
Shrews - Neutral Good
Rabbits - Lawful Neutral
Voles - True Neutral
Wildcats - Lawful Neutral
Feral Cats - Neutral Evil
Ferrets - Chaotic Evil
Pine Martens - Lawful Evil
Rats - Chaotic Evil
Reptiles (sentient) - Lawful Evil
Weasels - Neutral Evil
Wolverines - Neutral Evil
Ravens, Crows, etc. - Lawful Evil
Non-Blackbirds - Neutral Good

I don't feel like explaining most of these right now, but if you ask a question, I'll try to answer it.
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The Skarzs

What is the lawful good and evil about?
Cave of Skarzs

Cave potato.

Dotti Dillworthy

Quote from: Skarzs on April 28, 2016, 09:53:25 PM
What is the lawful good and evil about?
Probably staunch and stubborn in their standing, no matter the circumstances.

James Gryphon

As far as I can see he already answered that:
Quote from: Bonaparte on March 29, 2016, 04:25:05 AM
...preceded by Chaotic (Less lawful and/or honorable, think: cowboys and outlaws) Lawful (follows laws or does not openly disobey them, a police officer or a crooked businessman)
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Blaggut

*looks back at list I made* This thing is terrible.

But Rabbits should be Lawful Good or Neutral Good, as the only rabbits in the series lived in small homes in the countryside, and pretty much just avoided any strangers. But they all seemed naive, innocent, and earnest. Not really material for robberies or murders. Maybe I just look at it differently, I dunno.

Not all birds are Non-Blackbirds are Good. The Wild Kaing MacPhearsome almost ate Thrugg. However, blackbirds are collectively Evil. Also, I should have changed Ferrets to Evil and Stoats to Neutral.
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James Gryphon

I'd rank rabbits as more neutral; they have a strong tendency towards being fussy and uptight. The Mirdops in particular treated travelers with considerable inhospitality. In practice they're probably good, but we see so few of them it's hard to tell.

We never see an outright good stoat in the series that I'm aware of. I'd keep all of the vermin creatures as evil, except wildcats (and that's just because of Mossflower; if we go by the whole series there's a pretty strong slant to evil).
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Blaggut

Well, these alignments point towards the race's majority. One would not change the average alignments of, say, Vampires, because one vampire fought for the good. The would stay Chaotic Evil. Rabbits are uptight and inhospitable (I probably used that word terribly) because they tend to get, how do I say... 100% Rekt. Never have we seen any rabbit fighters, and they seem to not know much about the outside world, living like hermits in the woods. Which is strange, because in nature, Rabbits live in large groups underground. (Rabbits in the Redwall series do live underground however) and Hares live alone when not mating, above ground. We hear of one Rabbit group in Loamhedge, but it was destroyed by the Dakka (I think) tribe, leaving only one survivor living under a log. Rabbits seem to have a long history of getting 100% Rekt throughout history, thus hiding in small homes throughout Mossflower to avoid any interaction with strangers, who might Rekt them. Due to their seeming lack of knowledge of the moral differences between Woodlanders and Vermin, they trust no-one. Thus putting them probably on the Good scale.

Stoats could be either Evil or Neutral. They are presented in multiple ways throughout the series. Ferahgo's army had a lot of Neutrals - two examples being the good-esque characters Dingeye and Thura - whilst some other, generally smaller, hordes had evil beasts. It seems half and half, but they could really be on either side in my opinion. But we should give them the benefit of the doubt and place them as Chaotic Neutral.
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James Gryphon

Quote from: Bonaparte on April 29, 2016, 06:19:03 AM
Well, these alignments point towards the race's majority. One would not change the average alignments of, say, Vampires, because one vampire fought for the good.
Quote from: Bonaparte on April 29, 2016, 06:19:03 AMStoats could be either Evil or Neutral. They are presented in multiple ways throughout the series. Ferahgo's army had a lot of Neutrals - two examples being the good-esque characters Dingeye and Thura - whilst some other, generally smaller, hordes had evil beasts. It seems half and half, but they could really be on either side in my opinion. But we should give them the benefit of the doubt and place them as Chaotic Neutral.
These statements seem somewhat at odds with each other. There are at least two rats that are outright good (Blaggut and Grubbage), and several more that are ambiguous (like Lousewort and Sneezewort), but we rank them as evil because that's true the vast majority of the time. Five vermin corsair captains (Badrang, Tramun Clogg, Vilu, Conva and Barranca) are stoats, along with Badrag (the slaver), Antigra, and the Gruvens. They seem to be interchangeable with ferrets and weasels, and there's plenty of evil characters I can list for those. I don't see how they're meaningfully neutral. Certainly they're not in the same league as voles.
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Blaggut

Well, the major hordes in the series seemed to have a lot of neutral characters (Ferahgo'a horde having mostly neutral it seems, and Redwall Wiki places his numbers at 4,000. But I doubt it was that many.) while other forces (such as the forces of the corsair captain Raga Bol in Loamhedge.) seem to be primarily evil. I suppose you are probably correct most are Evil.

But I don't know who Blaggut is so THEREFORE YOUR POINT IS INVALID! And that Blaggut kid sounds like a loser anyways!
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Wylder Treejumper

^^I dispute that statement. The stoats that are featured in hordes tend to be dumb, but I'd still class them as evil. Just because we don't see them do evil things doesn't mean they don't, but I doubt they'd be in a horde if they were unwilling to kill. Besides, we see plenty evil stoat leaders.

Also, I'd place crows/blackbirds as neutral evil or chaotic neutral, as they are not particularly law abiding and their main interest is looking out for themselves (usually at the expense of others).
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James Gryphon

Quote from: Wylder Treejumper on May 01, 2016, 12:41:47 AM... but I doubt they'd be in a horde if they were unwilling to kill.
Eh, I'm not so sure about that point. It doesn't seem uncommon for vermin leaders to press every creature in the country that they can find into service when they arrive somewhere, and we know they don't take kindly to stragglers or deserters. I'm not saying they're all forced into that lifestyle, but we know there are at least some that didn't have a lot of say in being there.

Quote from: Wylder Treejumper on May 01, 2016, 12:41:47 AMAlso, I'd place crows/blackbirds as neutral evil or chaotic neutral, as they are not particularly law abiding and their main interest is looking out for themselves (usually at the expense of others).
I haven't read Doomwyte, which features blackbirds as the main villains, so it could very well throw off my estimate. From what I remember from the other books, though, such as Mattimeo, Outcast and Pearls, blackbirds usually follow some sort of pecking order, which I never recall being seriously challenged. I'm not married to that exact alignment, though... that said, they're definitely evil, not neutral.
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