Who's the best Bow and Arrow animal?

[Dannflower Reguba]

What is it with people and this stereotyping badgers as always the best!! Come on! Badgers were made for melee combat!

[Skipper]

And we're stereotyping? Lonna and possibly Salixa prove Badgers aren't all made for melee combat.

[Dannflower Reguba]

Yet there is Brocktree, Urthstripe, Urthwyte, Cregga, Russano, Gorse (Spearlady), Constance, Orlando, Stonepaw, Boar, Sunflash, and like a bajilion others! That's not stereotyping my friend, that's averaging! Rakkety Tam is the only to lay claim to the slaying of a wolverine. A badger has yet to do that...

[rakkety tam]

hey the Q was who is your fav if u look at the Q i think samim is the best with bow and arrow but lonna is my fav out of those

[Skipper]

Call it what you want, maybe the only reason why a badger hasn't killed a wolverine yet is because there were none in the books badgers were involved in, I would have hought that was pretty obvious.

[Dannflower Reguba]

And what difference does that make? I'm just proving that badgers aren't end alls like everyone appears to think.

[gorath]

Oh yes they are. Badgers RULE

[Dannflower Reguba]

Oh yes they are. Badgers RULE

You only served to proove my point sir.
Just because something is BIG doesn't mean it is invincible, or even strong for that matter. Being BIG just means your BIG, it has no spill over into whether or not you have skill... It is simple a genetic inheritance.

[Gulo]

Oh yes they are. Badgers RULE

You only served to proove my point sir.
Just because something is BIG doesn't mean it is invincible, or even strong for that matter. Being BIG just means your BIG, it has no spill over into whether or not you have skill... It is simple a genetic inheritance.

True but badger lords have both their great size and a great skillset. Take Boar the Fighter for example he was a master swordsbeast and a master weapons builder. He disarmed MTW not by using brute force but by using his skills. When you combine their huge size with their expertise of weaponary but in using and crafting it, you get a very powerful juggernaut. Invincible no, but extremely powerful yes.

Plus Lonna never shot at an apple like Samkim did there is nothing to suggest he would have missed that shot. The driftwood he hit was much further away than Samkim's apple thus the size difference in the peice of driftwood and the apple could become negated depending on how much further the driftwood was.

Plus when you say who is the best bow and arrow beast is it meant as a sports archer or as a warrior archer? If as a warrior then Lonna as he had both exceptional accuracy, a range bigger than anyone else and also a large amount of experience as a warrior something Samkim greatly lacked. Focusing when shooting at a innate target and focusing when shooting at any enemy soldier are two very different things. He also had the skillset to take cover shoot from vantage points etc... things Samkim never trained for.

[Dannflower Reguba]

And yet Samkim's accuracy was still A and B what's E of A  (try and figure that out!) You ever notice that squirrels, otters, moles, and such like have PASSIVE skills that give them enormous advantages over badgers, 1. they aren't huge unmissable targets 2. they can either climb, swim, or dig tunnels. Shooting from different vantage points does NOT make much of a difference! (speaking as an expierianced archer) And who says Lonna's driftwood was further away? You are making a very dangerous thing called an assumption.

[Ciaran Galedeep]

And yet Samkim's accuracy was still A and B what's E of A  (try and figure that out!) You ever notice that squirrels, otters, moles, and such like have PASSIVE skills that give them enormous advantages over badgers, 1. they aren't huge unmissable targets 2. they can either climb, swim, or dig tunnels. Shooting from different vantage points does NOT make much of a difference! (speaking as an expierianced archer) And who says Lonna's driftwood was further away? You are making a very dangerous thing called an assumption.

Quite frankly the impression i got from the BJ's description of the apple incident (pg. 14 Salmandastron) is much closer to the modern day equivalent of plinking with a 22lr.
In comparison the shot fired by lonna's few practice shots were incredible (loamhedge pg. 77-78) (also take into account this is the first time he was using his new bow that he made, on factor that only plays into hand crafted archery equipment.) and if you have spent anytime at all hunting with a bow and arrow you will know that lonnas  feats at the Abby were pretty awesome, across the airspace above the grounds on the edge of the flat-lands were little details like breezes (though often times forgotten by the author) play a huge roll in accuracy. (I assume Samkim didn't snipe that poor little apple from a dormitory window and was in fact down below the wall line where breezes could very well be all but negated)
i closing i think Iris Streambattle had one of the hardest shots, shooting UP from the Vally floor into the gatehouse window while under heavy fire, no drawn out shots for her, that was total quick-scoping genius!

[Dannflower Reguba]

AFTER two practice shots, musn't forget that! And for your information, I've shot down at targets, it's not much different and takes NO more skill than shooting across... Actually it takes LESS skill, and there is plenty of space in the Abbey grounds for wind to fester. And lastly, is it fair that Samkim was in an early book were Jaques wasn't as good as when he wrote Loamhedge? Absolutely NOT.

[Skipper]

How can you say he wasn't a good a writer when he wrote Salamandastron than he was when he wrote Loamhedge? In Redwall the walls were high and though wind would have gotten there, there wouldn't have been that much to affect the shot, and generally it is quite windy around the sea, so when Lonna practiced with his new bow it probably would have been windy which wouldn't have been a suprise.

[Dannflower Reguba]

I'm sick of this conversation, Samkim never got a chance to go against Lonna to prove just who was better... What a shame.

[Skipper]

If you get sick of the conversation why argue in the first place?