Villains that weren't really villains

[Tiria Wildlough]

I like Askor. He is sort of grey, but he does say that he is a friend of nobeast, and that he eats people.

[Skalrag of Marshank]

SKALRAG!!!!!!!! Well, Groddil from Lord Brocktree wasn't really EVIL, just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Same with Skalrag. Geez, foxes really do end up unlucky in most of the stories, don't they?

[Captain Tammo]

Lousewort and sneezewort

[Taggerung_of_Redwall]

I'd say that if a character doesn't display evil or good, if their a minor character and do not get the part to do so, they can just be ranked as good or bad based on their species' norm.

Also, consider a hero being stuck in a situation like Groddil or Skalrag. They would fight to the death or just be killed on the spot. Running with the line of thought of the latter, that shows that villains, as demonstrated in the books, assume the goodness of the good species, and treat them as such. Even bad woodlanders were killed by villains without a thought. Of course, villains do that to each other all the time, as their nature leads them to do. But in the line of recruiting, good species are never considered, obviously, as their not potential recruits for a vermin horde.

[Skalrag of Marshank]

I know. But not being (completely) evil doesn't necessarily mean you're a "hero". Groddil was pretty much just doing what he had to do to survive when he didn't stop Fraul from running into the spider crabs. Well, he's a fox. Foxes are just naturally crafty. It's their nature.

[Nightfire]

Grubbage. No one ever talks about him and how he wasn't evil. He never heven talken like most searats.

[Taggerung_of_Redwall]

That's been brought up before, twice in this thread. He's generally pretty well liked, I for one like him. Mainly for his hearing disability, that created so much comic relief.

[Nightfire]

Yeh. I love how whenever Plugg gave him an order, he would repeat what Plugg said, but with the wrong words, and then he would do whatwas ordered of him anyways. Example: Plugg gives him the order "Bring 'er in closer to shore!" In a command about the Seascab. And then Grubbage says: "I ain't throwin' my clothes ashore fer nobeast, I'll just take 'er in closer to shore." So hilarious!!! 

[Skalrag of Marshank]

Heehee...love Grubbage!

[Nightfire]

He's so awesome. I love how they let him stay at Redwall afterwards.

[Janglur Swifteye]

I think that those are mostly corsairs, which may indicate an interesting trend, if sea-going vermin are on average more violent and aggressive than their land-going counterparts.

Not necessarily. What about Romsca?, She had a pretty soft side towards the Abbot, and other prisoners. Also, Blaggut from The Bellmaker became a friend of Redwallers, and a boatbuilder.

[Taggerung_of_Redwall]

I would consider Romsca and Blaggut exceptions to that rule, along with Grubbage. But in general, I would defiantly say corsairs are more violent, and creative with that violence, than landlubbering vermin.

[DanielofRedwall]

And Crumdun from the Rogue Crew, he wasn't realy a bad beast, but he was a sea-going vermin.

[HeadInAnotherGalaxy]

Ye ken, fer zome reazon when ah think o' ol' 'Dun ah think o' Malfoy...

[Redwall Musician]

I would consider Romsca and Blaggut exceptions to that rule, along with Grubbage. But in general, I would defiantly say corsairs are more violent, and creative with that violence, than landlubbering vermin.

I kinda agree. Even Ungant Trunn (from Lord Brocktree) knew that when he made captains of those two sea rats (who's names have slipped my mind). Ungant Trunn said something about how sea vermin know how to kill (something like that).