who would win?

Started by Captain Tammo, July 07, 2011, 09:57:10 PM

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Ungatt fight his niece? How barbaric! I mean really..

Then again, Tsarmina imprisoned her own brother, so I'm sure she wouldn't mind fighting with her uncle. Her uncle hates to be out done, so he would not mind fighting her. As for who would win:
Ungatt! Why? Because I said so!
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Log-a-Log

I think Ungatt would win. He seemed to be one of the best vermin fighters in the books
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Mad Maudie

Tsarmina she is so creepy and evil but what is that one wildcats name that killed his brother it has been a little while sense i read them i think it is in high Rhulain?
he was pretty bad 
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Yeah, I think Ungatt would win.
@Mad Maudie, the wildcat you're talking about is called Pitru. And yeah, he was pretty bad, but he was a coward, not a real warrior.
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James Gryphon

How about Cluny the Scourge versus Tsarmina Greeneyes, one-on-one?

Tsarmina doesn't have her bow; Cluny has the same armament he did for his final fight with Matthias. In other words, the same as Martin vs. Tsarmina in Mossflower, only with Cluny substituted in the mouse's place.

Given that Tsarmina's family has a certain resistance to poison, it seems that she should be able to resist the barb long enough to repeat the fight with Martin, and maybe win, though she might end up dying after the fight, but what do y'all think?
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Coobreedan

I actually think Tsarsmina would kill Cluny easily.
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Nightfire

Actually, cats are very scared of rats in many cases, and Tsarmina was a coward. My one pet rat bit my cat on the nose, and the cat has been terrified of rats ever since. ;D Not to mention that Cluny has killed animals as big as pike before.
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James Gryphon

How about Gabool the Wild versus Ublaz Mad Eyes?

Both are legendary corsairs, although Ublaz has probably gotten much rustier, skill-wise, than Gabool. Both control island empires. Ublaz was once known for his sword skills -- and as of Mariel of Redwall, Gabool still is known for it.

As far as I can see it, it's Gabool's superior skill and conditioning against Ublaz's greater size and infamous hypnotic gaze. I imagine it's hard to duel someone with your eyes constantly averted from theirs, which is probably partially what formed Ublaz's reputation as a dangerous swordfighter.

Now, Gabool is probably a bit brighter than Ublaz. They both plan for contingencies, but Ublaz grew over-reliant on his gaze's infamy, and blundered away all of his support among his followers (save the Monitors, who have no choice but to stay with him), while Gabool was able to brilliantly reinforce his base of support among the searat crews -- in fact, the crews were even more loyal to him than their own captains by the time he was done. We don't ever see Gabool getting overconfident, or making stupid mistakes; right down to the end, when his fortress is being stormed by the rebels, he devises a plan to kill the badger and the others -- and it works. Rawnblade was dead to rights, and the fact that he didn't die there by no means takes away credit from Gabool, since he did everything a rat could be expected to do.

That said, it's still a close matchup, and if Ublaz can get things together long enough to exploit his greater size and tactical advantage, he might be able to take down the second-most dangerous sea rat in history.
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Nightfire

Argulor when he's in his prime vs. the Wild King MacPhearsome!!!  :) That would be epic!!! Two golden eagles fighting each other!
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James Gryphon

Ah, come on, what do you think of that last matchup? It's no fun to have these topics when we're always talking past each other.

Oh, and Argulor all the way. He ate just about every kind of creature in his career, except for pine marten, and even when he was ancient, he still had the speed and power to evade arrows and crush an experienced red fox in combat. At his peak he would totally destroy that impostor eagle. :)
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Captain Tammo

How about this matchup, if each were backed by 100 birds, who would win,

Korvus Skurr vs. General Ironbeak
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General Ironbeak. He should have conquered Redwall if it weren't for Stryk Redkite
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Nightfire

Well, why would they each need 100 birds to back them up? That seems a little too easy. If this were 1-on-1 combat, then I still agree that Ironbeak would win. But they shouldn't have 100 birds backing them up.

Another cool matchup would be Gulo the Savage vs. Dramz when he was in his prime. That would be dynamic!
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James Gryphon

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Well, Ironbeak was a renowned bird commander from the North, and Korvus Skurr also controlled a very large horde, so the reason why I assume Tammo asked the question that way is so as to put to question not just their individual fighting skills, but also their strategic skills.

Not that it matters, since Ironbeak wins either way in my mind. He was said to be the fiercest fighter from the North; maybe getting the worst of one exchange with a hyper-aggressive mouse ;) doesn't negate all of that.

I think I read Doomwyte, once, though I can't remember most of the details, but going by the Redwall wiki, I think Ironbeak's resume is much better, when it comes to mental ability. Skurr brought in a snake to do his fighting, and paid the price for it -- while Ironbeak made the best of what he had. Skurr didn't even recover the Doomwyte jewels, whereas Ironbeak -- by all rights -- basically conquered Redwall, one of only a handful of vermin leaders to do this. While I don't believe it was the degree of conquest that Cluny achieved, it was still a remarkable accomplishment.

Plus, while Skurr relies on a grass snake to do all of his thinking, Ironbeak is actually capable of forming great strategies, all by himself -- as when Mangiz's predictions were unfavorable, Ironbeak just ignored him and told him to come up with more positive visions.

Ironbeak takes this one, with or without an army.

As far as any wolverine fights, I'm not sure we can judge one way or another... we never see Dramz in person. It's like having a fight between King Mortspear and Ungatt Trunn; we don't know anything about the former, and whether he'd be better or worse than his son. At least with Verdauga we have a scene where he speaks and everything, and a lot of information about his rule prior to Tsarmina, but with Dramz all we know is that he was Gulo and Askor's father and used to rule the Land of Ice and Snow. There isn't much to go on there.
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