Stop the killing of animals

[Blaggut]

Every being works to improve itself. This is currently a substitute until we can make more efficient energy. We need to get artificial meat to work first. And not all mass farms are bad. The chain "Whole Foods" uses more natural and hog-friendly farms. And also, steel and guns ARE natural. It's not like their made from little ghosties or given to us by Greek deities....  And for your point of them always hurting things other thanks humans take this... Pigeons feed off our yummy scraps. They evolved to do that. Guns can help and hinder. A cute fox kit is about to get speared by a boar. bOOOOOoOOOOOM! Even though it's natural, you save the defenseless fox kit (as sympathetic human nature goes) and shoot the boar in the forehead. Or.... A hunter is hunting duck in a not-duck-season so you walk him with the butt of your gun. Then you knock him senseless and drag him home. You look to see the duck cutely waddle away to its mom. Then you see Martin the warriors ghost. And were are vets? Cities. Cities are a lot of homes. Cities wouldn't exist mostly if it weren't for homes.

[Rusvul]

Every being works to improve itself.

This is true, but humans have done so at the almost universal expense of other creatures.

This is currently a substitute until we can make more efficient energy.

More efficient energy than what? If you mean electricity, we have green, efficient energy. Solar, wind, and water are all viable means of electricity. And so are nuclear power plants- They're green unless they fail.

We need to get artificial meat to work first.

Two things on this:
No, we actually don't. People, myself included, live just fine without meat. Protein and iron  can both come from other sources. Beans, or a cast iron skillet.
And second, we have pretty close to artificial meat. I've had some very convincing meals flavor-wise, and nutrients can be derived from other sources. Now, artificial meat probably wouldn't taste as good as real meat, but is it worth slaughtering millions, perhaps billions of animals as a luxury?

And not all mass farms are bad. The chain "Whole Foods" uses more natural and hog-friendly farms.

Much of the meat you'll find at Whole Foods comes from more independent farms, not owned by a massive corporation. And while some mass farms are more humane than the factory farms I refer to, being cramped in with a thousand other cows is still not much fun. Imagine a themepark crowd on a very crowded day. Is it tolerable? Yes. Would it continue to be painless, if you were locked in there for three years?

And also, steel and guns ARE natural. It's not like their made from little ghosties or given to us by Greek deities....

I will quote myself-

Natural
1. Existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by mankind

Steel and guns do not exist in nature. Humans are the only way that they are ever created. They are made by humans, and for our own benefit. With them, we have destroyed countless billions of lives, both our own and those of others. Such power is absolutely unnatural.
However, the raw material IS natural. Its use as a superpower is not.

And for your point of them always hurting things other thanks humans take this... Pigeons feed off our yummy scraps. They evolved to do that.

Only because we forced them to. The only way for an animal to survive in this world is to hide away (And that can't last forever) or feed off our scraps, we leave them nothing else.

Guns can help and hinder. A cute fox kit is about to get speared by a boar. bOOOOOoOOOOOM! Even though it's natural, you save the defenseless fox kit (as sympathetic human nature goes) and shoot the boar in the forehead. Or.... A hunter is hunting duck in a not-duck-season so you walk him with the butt of your gun. Then you knock him senseless and drag him home. You look to see the duck cutely waddle away to its mom.

In the first situation, the human is commiting a crime. There's no reason that the kit should live rather than the boar. This doesn't apply to humans, as we don't need to kill to survive anymore.

In the second situation, that's a human stopping another human from doing a bad thing. It's like putting someone in danger and then saving them- You're not actually helping them.

And were are vets? Cities. Cities are a lot of homes. Cities wouldn't exist mostly if it weren't for homes.

I don't quite understand your point there.
However, vets mostly fix problems humans have caused. They prevent animals from reproducing, to help keep the already skewed populations under control. They help dogs and cats to survive- Which is utterly unhelpful to the environment, in some cases it can be detrimental.

On the topic of cities... Are you saying that they are beneficial to anything except humans, and our chosen few 'companions'? Because, they're anything but.

An animal has a habitat- cities destroy it. Humans come in, and destroy any remaining animals that survive.  Cities create smog, which clouds up the air, causes a greenhouse effect, which in turn warms the earth, potentially melting the ice caps and flooding the world. Cities fills the sky with smoke that can have an averse effect on anything that breathes it in. Cities need oil supplied to them- Oil rigs are a massive source of pollution, and when a pipeline breaks or a ship crashes- It's even worse.

There are a select few creatures that have adapted well to cities- Cats, dogs, and other pets are able to live with us, (Only because we changed them to fit in), and pigeons, rats, and mice have learned to hide, and live off our scraps. They evolved only because we inadvertently forced them to, by destroying their home.

There's no way to justify mankind's actions without assuming that we're better than any other living being- which, in and of itself, is something of a crime.

To clarify, I'm not intending to attack anyone. I am simply stating my views in as logical and sound a manner as I can. Personally, I really enjoy debating, and it is my hope that we can continue without hurting anyone.

[Spearfinn]

Iamthatis but what about Redwall they kill animals and what about peaple in Alaska they need to hunt to survive and are you vegatarian beacause if you aren't then if you eat meat it's practicly a dead animal

[Rusvul]

Iamthatis but what about Redwall they kill animals and what about peaple in Alaska they need to hunt to survive and are you vegatarian beacause if you aren't then if you eat meat it's practicly a dead animal

In Redwall, they kill fish for food. However, it's a rare occurance, and it's only when it's sustainable. They also don't have an alternate way to get some of the Omega thingummies.
If someone needs to hunt to survive, I have no objection.
Yes, I'm a vegetarian. Meat is a dead animal. That's exactly why I don't eat it.

[Spearfinn]

oh okay

[Gonff the Mousethief]

about a year, my dog was attacked by wild dogs. I have trying to stop animals,wild animals, any animals should no be killed