The Great War of the Redwall World

[alderbowbeast]

Actually, Brian Jacques never said Cluny and his army were from the North. It is rumored that he was a Portuguese (spelling?) rat, but no one knows for sure. The book states that he was a bilge rat, but other than that, there is no certain information. I think Brian Jacques meant to have Cluny be a mystery, with no one knowing where he came from.

Actually we do know that Cluny and his army were from the north based on their path of travel and the events of Redwall.  First, we know that he had never been in the area before, otherwise his name wouldn't have been a myth or one to frighten dibbuns with.  The second way we know he's from the north is because of path.  When attacking Redwall Cluny and his army camp at St. Ninians which is south of Redwall (see the map in the front of the book).  Second Cluny is quoted saying "Trail back to the west.  I think we passed a big place on the way."  We know they were following the north/south road which is revealed to only go north and south in other books.  The only way they could have passed Redwall and ended up at St. Ninians is to have been traveling from the north.

-Alder, Recorder of Redwall and Mossflower Country

[Lady Ashenwyte]

Cluny might have come in the North and then he might have been defeated there, seeing how the rats hadn't marched their way to Redwall and they were in a cart, suggesting Cluny was defeated once before Redwall. He could still be a Portuguese rat that way.

[Izeroth]

Actually, Brian Jacques never said Cluny and his army were from the North. It is rumored that he was a Portuguese (spelling?) rat, but no one knows for sure. The book states that he was a bilge rat, but other than that, there is no certain information. I think Brian Jacques meant to have Cluny be a mystery, with no one knowing where he came from.

Actually we do know that Cluny and his army were from the north based on their path of travel and the events of Redwall.  First, we know that he had never been in the area before, otherwise his name wouldn't have been a myth or one to frighten dibbuns with.  The second way we know he's from the north is because of path.  When attacking Redwall Cluny and his army camp at St. Ninians which is south of Redwall (see the map in the front of the book).  Second Cluny is quoted saying "Trail back to the west.  I think we passed a big place on the way."  We know they were following the north/south road which is revealed to only go north and south in other books.  The only way they could have passed Redwall and ended up at St. Ninians is to have been traveling from the north.

-Alder, Recorder of Redwall and Mossflower Country

The book mentions, I believe, that Cluny was thought to have come from far-away jungles. Jungles don't typically grow in the North, do they? 

[LT Sandpaw]

The book also mentions that Cluny was the foulest rat to jump from ship to shore or something like that. If he was originally a pirate he could be from basically anywhere and simply landed North of the Abbey.

[Stonestripe]

Wow...... just wow.......


Where did you get all those awesome ideas? 

That's amazing!!!!

I have read the books quite a few times and as far as I can tell all the ideas come from the books. He conneted them in a way that really makes sense and makes for a fun thing to ponder. I would have loved reading a book that ties it all together especially adding the Eagles and Hawks that come from the highlands.

[Marthimeo]

The books do mention a lot of hints that this could have happened

[Dylan Reguba]

However, the next empire would spring from the South in the form of yet another cat kingdom, namely that of Malkarkis.

I think if you read Mattimeo it says that Malkaris was a polecat. A polecat isn't a cat at all, really; it's more closely related to ferrets. (One could argue that they're the same species, but it's all rather confusing.)

Hopefully this sheds a bit of light on the discussion.

[Sanddunes]

I do like this thoery but I'm also interested in the Great Vermin War mention in Eulalia

[The Skarzs]

Was there one? I don't recall.

[Sanddunes]

Was there one? I don't recall.

Yeah It mention how Gorath's parents fought and died in the war

[Ashleg]

With a name like that it sounds like it would have been just vermin against vermin, funny that Woodlanders got roped up in it.

(Of course they did...nosy buggers.)

[Sanddunes]

With a name like that it sounds like it would have been just vermin against vermin, funny that Woodlanders got roped up in it.

(Of course they did...nosy ants.)

that could be the case with the vermin armies also attacking the woodlanders problem is Brian didn't talk about it that much

[Ashleg]

Well, it'd make fer a good fanfiction.

[Sanddunes]

Sorry it's wars not war.

[Ashleg]

Hmm.