Are badgers too overpowered?

[Sebias of Redwall]

Poison and venom are different things...

I know, but if someone was to try to kill them with a blade covered in venom or something...

[The Grey Coincidence]

Hmmm...
I cant say more on this subject. But that person would likely wind up in a mutual kill spot- because the badger won't die instantly, and it sure as chocolate will take whoever stabbed it down first.

[Cornflower MM]

*Shrugs* Although their large size means you'd need more than a little poison to do a badger in...

And some badgers are resistant to venom.

I don't recall this in the series?

Hmmm...
I cant say more on this subject. But that person would likely wind up in a mutual kill spot- because the badger won't die instantly, and it sure as chocolate will take whoever stabbed it down first.

Depends on the side effects and how much of what is used.

[The Grey Coincidence]

It depends on the type of toxin used, that is correct. And I don't know if it happened in the series I'm just saying what *could* happen *if* etc etc

[Sebias of Redwall]

They never mentioned it in the series I don't think. I just looked it up.

[Steelinghades]

*Shrugs* Although their large size means you'd need more than a little poison to do a badger in...

And some badgers are resistant to venom.

I don't recall this in the series?

Yeah, I don't either, the only badger I recall having poison resistance in redwall is from a Redwall fabric.

Also, we truly don't know how overpowered a badger is because not only have we not seen a Badger vs a Wolverine, we've also not seen a Wolf throw down.

[Jetthebinturong]

Sunflash is bitten multiple times by a pair of adders, but still manages to kill them both, and survives their poisoning afterwards.

[Sanddunes]

That's true about the wolverine, however badgers are normally trained warriors and wolverines  are just brute force

You have to remember wolverines have only been in one book and we mostly only know about one

[Tungro]

That's true about the wolverine, however badgers are normally trained warriors and wolverines  are just brute force

You have to remember wolverines have only been in one book and we mostly only know about one

And from what we hear about the other ones, they seemed slightly more civilized than Gulo

[Sebias of Redwall]

That's true about the wolverine, however badgers are normally trained warriors and wolverines  are just brute force

You have to remember wolverines have only been in one book and we mostly only know about one

And from what we hear about the other ones, they seemed slightly more civilized than Gulo

True. Because if I remember right, the ermine and foxes had said that things hadn't been quite as bad under Gulo's father's rule.

[Tungro]

And they said Gulo was wilder than any other one

[Sebias of Redwall]

Also true.
That was probably one of the reason why he was called "The Savage" because he was more ruthless and crazy then your average wolverine.

[Grond]

Sunflash is bitten multiple times by a pair of adders, but still manages to kill them both, and survives their poisoning afterwards.

Its not unusual. Generally speaking the bigger an animal is the more venom it takes to kill it. An elephant could survive higher venomous doses than a human for example.

That's true about the wolverine, however badgers are normally trained warriors and wolverines  are just brute force

You have to remember wolverines have only been in one book and we mostly only know about one

And from what we hear about the other ones, they seemed slightly more civilized than Gulo

Well we really only see one family of wolverines- a father and his 2 sons. The father Dramz was a pretty good father as far as vermin standards go in that he wanted his sons to share power after his death- hence why Gulo killed him. Gulo wasn't much more "savage", rather unlike the other two he was insane. There is an example in the book of Gulo talking to bushes and his dead brother before falling asleep. With Gulo's horde which was his father's horde before, it seemed to be an established practice of theirs to eat their enemies or engage in "cannibalism". You could say it was a cultural thing for that group. Even Askor told those 2 travellers who found him pinned under an oak, the hedgehog and mole I think they where, that when he dies they should eat him before he goes bad. And the other white vermin horde-beasts regularly engaged in "cannibalism".

Its interesting to note here there is an example of a single vermin singlehandedly killing a full grown badger. In the Bellmaker Mellus is killed by the searat captain Slipp. She was trying to protect the dibbuns from him when he stabbed her in the heart and she died. A lucky blow or by catching a badger by surprise they can be killed. Another example is Rawnblade- Gabool stabbed him in the chest with a knife but he survived thanks to his armour. he was also lured into the scorpion pit but Martin's spirit saved him. Their rage it seems can be a liability. Wolverines when they are in combat or in a precarious situation they tend to stay pretty levelheaded (at least what we see from Gulo and Askor). Gulo was far from careless in his fight with Tam- he didn't blindly charge at him like a bloodwrath badger would against their foes despite the fact that he was insane at that point. And Askor remained calm even though he knew he was dying when pinned by the tree with a broken back.

[One-Eye the wildcat]

Badgers are way too op.

[Tungro]

Did you not read what Grond had to say? He made a good point