The (Hypothetical) Next Redwall Champion

[ilovemariel]

how 'bout an adopted vermin (a sable!), It's already been done, but I think Brian Jaques should have given 'em another chance, deep down I'm sure there's no evil!

Yes like Veil, he just needed love.

Yes, but Veil (evil, live...?) Kind of became like all other vermin in the middle of the book... I was thinking that maybe a sable (or a fox) could become a mouse from Redwall's best friend and then the abbey gets attacked by the sable's/fox's parents (and/or clan). She has to fight FOR the abbey to prove that she is not just any friend and that vermin aren't always big brutes with no feelings.
I just do not feel it's right to say that vermin are all evil and arggggy!

[Skipper]

they mostly are, though only a couple have been known to be good or kind

[Melody]

I still think Veil wasn't all evil, he was in the middle after all he did save Bryony.

[redwallgurl]

yes well also veil was kind of nice but the elders wouldnt like it and probably it could mislead some dibbuns into thinking that vermin might be good

[eualaia]

true



i think the next redwall champion should'v been a mole

[redwallgurl]

yeah they have good logic and maybe a fighter though i cant imagine it

[Ciaran Galedeep]

could it be like  hawk or something. or maybee a wildcat (not)[move][move][/move][/move]

Don't forget Gingervere or his known and implied descendents.

in redwall the Squire refers to and uncle who had a collection of battle equipment, and judging simply by the general personality of a wildcat (and squire gingervere's shared success with Captain Snow in the decimation of the remaining horderats of cluny's army) that he would possibly be every inch as skilled a blademaster as ever entered the pages of redwall . 
don't hate on the cats they could be sweet. (quite frankly an awesome plot would be twins, one goes good the other bad, then what would happen!?)

[Bragoon]

They did sort of have that with Pitru and Jeefra in High Rhulain.  Jeefra was by no means good, but I found it hard not to feel a little sorry for Jeefra. 

[Ciaran Galedeep]

They did sort of have that with Pitru and Jeefra in High Rhulain.  Jeefra was by no means good, but I found it hard not to feel a little sorry for Jeefra. 

i'm talking about cat that are actually capable (like verdaga and ungatt) not a pair of spoiled kittens.  (now that would be an interesting book, say trunn had been nursed back to health and had returned to claim the throne from king mortspear?)

[Dotti]

I'd like to hear a story about how King Mortspear survived having both Verdauga and Ungatt Trun in the same household, assumedly for years as they grew up.  Mortspear must have been an awesome bad guy for neither of his (quite capable) sons to have overthrown him. 

[Osu]

I'd like to hear a story about how King Mortspear survived having both Verdauga and Ungatt Trun in the same household, assumedly for years as they grew up.  Mortspear must have been an awesome bad guy for neither of his (quite capable) sons to have overthrown him. 

Yes, I agree with this 100%. XD I can see Verdauga being docile enough to leave and set himself up in Mossflower on his own, but why would Ungatt go out sailing when he could murder his father and rule the northlands? Not really in keeping with the usual vermin profile.

Unless he set out to conquer the world and planned on nabbing his father last, or something...

[Redwall Musician]

I'd like to hear a story about how King Mortspear survived having both Verdauga and Ungatt Trun in the same household, assumedly for years as they grew up.  Mortspear must have been an awesome bad guy for neither of his (quite capable) sons to have overthrown him. 

Yes, I agree with this 100%. XD I can see Verdauga being docile enough to leave and set himself up in Mossflower on his own, but why would Ungatt go out sailing when he could murder his father and rule the northlands? Not really in keeping with the usual vermin profile.

Unless he set out to conquer the world and planned on nabbing his father last, or something...

Maybe I'm being weird here, but what if his sons actually liked their father and didn't want to kill their father. Sounds soft, but vermin have feelings too. 

[Skipper]

Ungatt might have been like normal vermin, always want somewhere warm to stay, the northlands were probably to plain for his taste, he also set out to do what no beast had done before, rule salamandastron

[Matthias720]

I've always thought of King Mortspear as being a strong ruler; strong enough to keep Ungatt from thinking about over-throwing his father.

[Ciaran Galedeep]

Ungatt might have been like normal vermin, always want somewhere warm to stay, the northlands were probably to plain for his taste, he also set out to do what no beast had done before, rule salamandastron

i think you've got it right. both ungatt and later verdauga desired to conquer, not to inherit.