Rose of Noonvale - Sue?

[Kitsune]

Aw, I was just going to post something like that, Osu!
So many people say Rose isn't a Sue because they like her, but she really is. They may argue that she died, so she isn't a Sue, but she has hardly any character development so her death is more of a explanation for why Martin didn't love again or have any descendants.

[Ungatt Trunn]

But Rose  wasn't a Sue! She didn't really ever have the spotlight all to herself, and her only two"talent" wasbeing able to make eagle calls and sing. Mariel was a Sue because ahe acted like one. Rose didn't.

[Dannflower Reguba]

Aw, I was just going to post something like that, Osu!
So many people say Rose isn't a Sue because they like her, but she really is. They may argue that she died, so she isn't a Sue, but she has hardly any character development so her death is more of a explanation for why Martin didn't love again or have any descendants.

That was quit rude.

Rose is not a Sue because she is not perfect, the very fact that she wasn't completely developed pulls her out of the runnings, we don't know much about her, and even what we do know still doesn't qualify as a Sue.

As far as Gonff goes, I never payed much attention to him, didn't like him all that much. Brocktree's a badger, nuff said  . Tam was a highly experienced fighter with the guidance of Martin and his sword, even with all that he still came pretty close to losing to Gulo. Tam is by no means a Sue.

[Tam and Martin]

Aw, I was just going to post something like that, Osu!
So many people say Rose isn't a Sue because they like her, but she really is. They may argue that she died, so she isn't a Sue, but she has hardly any character development so her death is more of a explanation for why Martin didn't love again or have any descendants.

That was quit rude.

Rose is not a Sue because she is not perfect, the very fact that she wasn't completely developed pulls her out of the runnings, we don't know much about her, and even what we do know still doesn't qualify as a Sue.

As far as Gonff goes, I never payed much attention to him, didn't like him all that much. Brocktree's a badger, nuff said  . Tam was a highly experienced fighter with the guidance of Martin and his sword, even with all that he still came pretty close to losing to Gulo. Tam is by no means a Sue.

AGREED!

[Kitsune]

But Rose  wasn't a Sue! She didn't really ever have the spotlight all to herself, and her only two"talent" wasbeing able to make eagle calls and sing. Mariel was a Sue because ahe acted like one. Rose didn't.

Not the correct definition of a Sue.

"Mary Sue" is judged as a poorly developed character, too perfect and lacking in realism to be interesting.

@danflorreguba: Can you remind me of a time where she isn't perfect? I haven't read the book in a while.

[Dannflower Reguba]

But Rose  wasn't a Sue! She didn't really ever have the spotlight all to herself, and her only two"talent" wasbeing able to make eagle calls and sing. Mariel was a Sue because ahe acted like one. Rose didn't.

Not the correct definition of a Sue.

"Mary Sue" is judged as a poorly developed character, too perfect and lacking in realism to be interesting.

@danflorreguba: Can you remind me of a time where she isn't perfect? I haven't read the book in a while.

Uh, when she tried to fight Badrang?  Seriously, assuming you bye into her "death" then she must have one of the mushiest heads in the known world. Also, she wasn't answering, rescuing, and fighting every situation that came, she helped in some scenarios and didn't in others. Let's switch over to Mariel here, she did EVERYTHING. Dandin wasn't the sword wielder, he was the carrying case for those times when a rope wasn't enough. THAT'S perfect, and therefore unrealistic.

FYI: Wikipedia is not the go to source for anything, that's completely opinion based.

Also, that's not very nice, because I thought Rose was rather interesting, much more so than Mariel who was completely stereotypical.

[Ungatt Trunn]

But Rose  wasn't a Sue! She didn't really ever have the spotlight all to herself, and her only two"talent" wasbeing able to make eagle calls and sing. Mariel was a Sue because ahe acted like one. Rose didn't.

Not the correct definition of a Sue.

If your thinking that I meant she wasn't a Sue because she didn't have the spotlight often, your mistaken. I meant that she didn't do everything that suppisidly makes a Sue a Sue.

Just to say, I've just gotten Mariel Of Redwall from my library. After I read it, I'm sure that I'll have a thing or two to say on the subject.

And dan, what you said in your previous post about Mariel, SO TRUE. Though, I'll have my opinion of her developed better after I re-read Mariel Of Redwall.

[The Shade]

I don't have much to say for this topic, and although Rose was a bit cheesy, I wouldn't go as far to say she was a sue.

[Ungatt Trunn]

I don't have much to say for this topic, and although Rose was a bit cheesy, I wouldn't go as far to say she was a sue.

Cheesy? How was she cheesy?

[The Shade]

I don't have much to say for this topic, and although Rose was a bit cheesy, I wouldn't go as far to say she was a sue.

Cheesy? How was she cheesy?

I'm not gonna get bogged down in a huge debate on this board 'cos I don't check here often. She was a bit cheesy though, my opinion, maybe I'll expand on that once I get a bit of time. 

[Ungatt Trunn]

I don't have much to say for this topic, and although Rose was a bit cheesy, I wouldn't go as far to say she was a sue.

Cheesy? How was she cheesy?

I'm not gonna get bogged down in a huge debate on this board 'cos I don't check here often. She was a bit cheesy though, my opinion, maybe I'll expand on that once I get a bit of time. 

Don't worry, I don't want to have an angry debate. But I'm all up to a normal, conscious debate.

[Wylder Treejumper]

Seriously, if being beautiful plus fill in skill here makes a girl a sue... I can think of several. That makes Songbreeze a sue. Even Fwirl (champion climber). And (dare I even say it?) Treerose (Errg. I hate her). But Rose is not a sue.

[Rusvul]

Rose's talents:

Singing, vocal things that are occasionally useful.
In general, a pretty and likeable person.
Throwing rocks
Dying by having her head smashed into a wall.

Seem sue-ish to you? Hmm, does it? She's mostly perfect in every situation that she's the solution to, but that's not every situation. During combat she's only adequate, not exceptional. She's not the one in the group who did all of the planning or thinking. She's perfect when the solution, but more often than not, she's not the solution.

[Sebias of Redwall]

*Revive*

Honestly, I never really thought of Rose as a Mary Sue. I think it would really depend on one's view of a Mary Sue.

[Luftwaffles]

I saw her as more of a plot device than a Mary Sue... but that's probably just as bad.