Poll
Question:
What was your opinion of Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens?
Option 1: It was far better than I had imagined
votes: 11
Option 2: It was mostly the movie I had expected and wanted
votes: 7
Option 3: Meh...
votes: 1
Option 4: I'd rather be stuck in a car with Jar-Jar for 2 hours
votes: 1
So, what did y'all think of it? I just saw it a couple of days ago (I was far too poor to buy tickets for opening night *sigh*) and was quite impressed. I had really low expectations for it, but I now honestly feel it is probably better off in Disney's hands than Lucas's. It was good to go back to the old feel of the Original Trilogy. Take that, prequels!
*BEWARE: SPOILERS*
Oh, it was amazing! I told my thoughts on the old forum, so I'll probably post them here soon.
I saw it the day after it came out. I also posted my thoughts on the other site but I'll say here that I really enjoyed it. It felt like a proper Star Wars film.
I'd give it three and a half - four stars.
Bad Things.
1. They killed Han. Yet everyone loves it and says it's awesome, amazing, or really good.
2. Kylo Ren is terrible with the force. Lightsaber is in the snow, he tries and fails to get it out. He can't get what he wants out of a guy who doesn't have the force. At least he's got an excuse with Rey but not with Poe.
3. I didn't like Ray. I don't know why so don't ask.
Good things.
1. Was more like IV, V, and VI.
2. Didn't have horrible characters like Jar Jar and Anakin in I and II.
3. Han Solo. Except he's Dead.
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I believe tvtropes calls Han's death an example of a "sacrificial lion". They killed him off to show how bad Kylo Ren turned out.
Honestly, I was impressed with the heroes: I had suspicions that Ray would not be up to snuff (wimpy, annoying, or ultra-aggressive) but she turned out a fair, if slightly flat character- although I'll excuse that because I have a feeling her major development is in VIII and IX. I liked Finn, they gave him some great dialogue. Han Solo was himself of course, stealing the whole movie (probably one of the reasons they had to kill him. No, not really, it was just that Harrison Ford would only sign for one movie). Poe Dameron was sufficiently awesome.
Really, I feel like the main disappointment was the villains. I'll take role: Kylo Ren- a much hyped villain who turned out look like Snape with Botoxed lips, and threw too many temper tantrums to be terrifying; Captain Phasma, a villain with great awesome potential who mostly does nothing the entire movie (though I still have great hopes for the next movies); General Hux, who reminds me of a young Hitler- appropriate for Stormtroopers, of course, but who was generally lacking in the awe factor I look for in villains; and of course Supreme Leader Snoke, who is just a giant Sith Gollum (he's even played by the same person as Gollum).
I wouldn't call Poe awesome, sure he's a great pilot, I mean seven TIEs in under ten seconds while turning, but he wasn't a great character.
I would say at some point that becomes a matter of opinion, but I wasn't talking about character. As far as that, he's pretty flat, yeah, but he's also a minor character.
Then I agree.
Vilu I disagree with your statement on Kylo's ability on the force, he stopped a blaster bolt in mid shot and didn't even have to think about it again, it just hovered there while he FORCED FROZE Poe, he was dividing his attention and everything. His force abilities are quite phenomenal all-in-all. However I think he was simply outmatched in his duel against Ray (Not to mention he was wounded twice) She had raw talent where he had nothing but overconfident, and probably incomplete training.
Though I don't understand how come he sucks so much at lightsaber combat. He fought someone who had only touched a ligthsaber twice and came out worse for it. I can only think he was extremely overconfident going into that fight, or (spoiler alert) He was still in turmoil over killing his father only minutes before.
The only thing he showed he could do with the force was freeze things and make a stuck lightsaber twist.
Yeah, that was another thing that I felt was kind of cheap. It took Luke the training of first Obi-Wan Kenobi, then later Yoda, for at least several months, to fully unlock his potential as a Jedi. Rey discovered the force on accident while being tortured and managed to overpower a Sith (albeit one incompletely trained) and then became a better lightsaber fighter by- wait for it- closing her eyes.
Either she has much more raw power than Luke, or even Anakin, or she's a sue. I can only hope that doesn't continue.
I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS YET BUT OH MY WORRDDD THEY KILLED HAN?!?!?!?! THANKS FOR THE SPOILER, VILU. :P
I feel like Han's death was inevitable from the moment you found out that Kylo Ren was his son.
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on December 25, 2015, 12:35:47 AM
I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS YET BUT OH MY WORRDDD THEY KILLED HAN?!?!?!?! THANKS FOR THE SPOILER, VILU. :P
The important thing is they didn't kill Chewie. ;)
I really want Chewie to be the one to kill Kylo Ren. I would say Leia, but I don't think she could bring herself to kill her own son.
Who says Kylo Ren dies? Perhaps he's one of those few who come back from the Dark Side. Though with a face like that, I'm kinda hoping he dies...
I'm sorry but he killed Han. If Chewie doesn't kill him, I will feel cheated.
Eh, I don't care, as long as he dies a sufficiently pathetic death. Really, a villain throwing temper tantrums like that? Severely cuts the shock and awe factor. I know Darth Vader is a lot to live up to, but surely they could have come up with something better.
Kylo seemed just, messed up. He was so angry, that he could not control it at all, making him careless and full of mistakes. His anger in turn made him an incredible strong force user. And oh, Chewie better kill him, or else...
Incredibly strong force user? How'd he get overpowered by an untrained 19 year-old girl, then? Even non force-sensitive Finn was able to put up a fight- albeit not much of one.
I like that they have a childish, unattractive villain. Star Wars has had lots of brilliant masterminds (Palpatine, especially) and handsome actors/actresses. Breaking the mold isn't necessarily a bad thing.
I don't like Kilo Ren. Especially how he's a Darth Vader wannabe. "Oh, I'm gonna wear a mask because Darth Vader wore a mask." "Oh, I'm so scared I'm never gonna be like Darth Vader." "Oh, I'm just going to ignore that Darth Vader defected to the light side before he died."
Also, He has the face of a spoiled child.
On the other hand, I do like Rey and Fin, although the whole "Stormtrooper has feelings" thing is kind of cheesy. But they were good, if rather forgettable characters.
It was different, but good different. It was in keeping with the spirit of the originals, but easier to get into because the world (or galaxy) is firmly established. You are already acquainted with the world, so the story and characters are more of a main focus than the weirdness of the setting.
Stormtroopers are normal people. If they didn't have feelings, I'd be disturbed.
Well, normal people with extensive programming and conditioning, no? My understanding is that they've been brainwashed and his conditioning was wearing off.
Gods, spoilers people!
*Added poll*
I was kinda disappointed to how they almost copied episode four, and they brought back the whole. "A giant super weapon that can destroy planets!" thing. But I think that might have just been a nod to the first movie, and from now on their going to be original. I hope.
Ooh I also saw this video that said Ray may in-fact be Luke's clone (Who somehow came out a girl) But it would explain why Luke's lightsaber called for her, and how Whatsherface had seen Ray's eyes before. She could see Luke's eyes in Ray, which would be a pretty neat twist if you ask me.
Thoughts?
Clone? I doubt it. I mean, she had a childhood and all that. Besides, it would be genetically impossible to have a clone of the opposite gender. Now, my theory is that she is Luke's daughter. The Force is strong in his family. And, after all, the lightsaber was Luke's, and his father's before him... it would make sense for it thus to pass to his daughter.
Also, it's fairly common for someone to say, "She has her father's eyes," for example.
Quote from: Jetthebinturong on December 25, 2015, 12:15:14 PM
Stormtroopers are normal people. If they didn't have feelings, I'd be disturbed.
At least as of this movie, anyway. The Rebels probably destroyed the cloning facility on Kamino, which would mean they'd have to start recruiting normal people.
^Poll
What's so bad about Jar-Jar?
I am going to get so much hate for this.
You're welcome Jukka.
Wylder, Jedi can't have kids, it goes against their Jedi thing.
Luke was the last Jedi though, so no one was stopping him.
Quote from: Groddil on December 25, 2015, 10:14:10 PM
Quote from: Jetthebinturong on December 25, 2015, 12:15:14 PM
Stormtroopers are normal people. If they didn't have feelings, I'd be disturbed.
At least as of this movie, anyway. The Rebels probably destroyed the cloning facility on Kamino, which would mean they'd have to start recruiting normal people.
^Poll
What's so bad about Jar-Jar?
I am going to get so much hate for this.
If you've ever played Battlefront 2, the 501st headed to Kamino with Boba Fett because the Kaminoans rebelled. They had a seperate clone force that fought against the Empire (unti; theyw ere all killed and the cloning samples were destroyed). Hence, the Empire had to recruit normal people (all humans) (with the exception of Admiral Thrawn, which is EU)
Conscription would be more accurate. Kaminoan cloning was obsolete by the end of the Clone Wars, and Spartii cloning produced unstable troopers with limited "shelf life", so Imperial Stormtroopers were taken from their families at birth and totally indoctrinated in Imperial and human supremacist ideas. The First Order would, I assume, do the same. Such extensive programming makes it unlikely for any defectors to occur in the first place, and very unlikely to be able to execute a defection of such magnitude as FN-2187's (Finn).
As for Jar-Jar, he's just an annoying blabbermouth.
Or is Jar Jar a secret Sith Lord pretending to be a fool...
We may never know...
As for Finn's defection it was clear one of his friends died right before he started having mutinous ideas. (The one that put a bloody handprint on his helmet.) Also it is possible he is force sensitive just not on the level Ray is, making him more resistant to the brainwashing of the First Order. This is BTW just speculation on my part.
Well, he was a janitor for the First Order, and the scene we see was his first mission. I guess then it hit him when they had to kill innocent people.
Indeed. Speaking of which, I think this is probably the first movie I've seen with a janitor as a hero.
Regardless of what anyone says about the movie, the soundtrack is, of course, amazing (Thank you, John Williams). I actually got that for a Christmas present, so now I've been listening to it non-stop for the past 5 hours.
Quote from: Wylder Treejumper on December 26, 2015, 12:14:28 AM
Conscription would be more accurate. Kaminoan cloning was obsolete by the end of the Clone Wars, and Spartii cloning produced unstable troopers with limited "shelf life", so Imperial Stormtroopers were taken from their families at birth and totally indoctrinated in Imperial and human supremacist ideas. The First Order would, I assume, do the same. Such extensive programming makes it unlikely for any defectors to occur in the first place, and very unlikely to be able to execute a defection of such magnitude as FN-2187's (Finn).
As for Jar-Jar, he's just an annoying blabbermouth.
(I never meant to be accurate, just to let Sandpaw know what I remember. [I hate being a nerd, but not being enough of a nerd to get nerdy things right])
Wasn't the EU no longer considered canon, because wouldn't Battlefront fit into it?
Also,
(https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M2acf297fcb548a1e129d97caae3a8954H0&w=168&h=144&c=7&rs=1&qlt=90&o=4&pid=1.1)
(https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.M406c0b9821dbef47ffbad55ed0f6d650H0&w=300&h=225&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0&r=0)
(https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.M8f9cdb673ad92b75c46489defacc5be3H0&w=299&h=286&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0&r=0)
(https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.Mfc9206ed77288ec83caf9e71e5c927a4H0&w=232&h=297&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0&r=0)
(https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.Mf419cfcc582c2db221fc97b3a0921474H0&w=300&h=234&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0&r=0)
Quote from: Vilu Daskar on December 25, 2015, 10:17:12 PM
You're welcome Jukka.
Wylder, Jedi can't have kids, it goes against their Jedi thing.
Nah, that's the OLD Jedi order. Luke recognised that the system would never work, you'd have countless Anakins and brainwashing kids to fight for your cause from birth really isn't morally acceptable. Therefore when Luke established the new Jedi order he abolished all their rules about emotions and love and stuff...
...at least that's what happened in the EU. Movie canon is iffy.
Quote from: Groddil on December 26, 2015, 01:14:54 AM
Wasn't the EU no longer considered canon, because wouldn't Battlefront fit into it?
Also,
(https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M2acf297fcb548a1e129d97caae3a8954H0&w=168&h=144&c=7&rs=1&qlt=90&o=4&pid=1.1)
(https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.M406c0b9821dbef47ffbad55ed0f6d650H0&w=300&h=225&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0&r=0)
(https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.M8f9cdb673ad92b75c46489defacc5be3H0&w=299&h=286&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0&r=0)
(https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.Mfc9206ed77288ec83caf9e71e5c927a4H0&w=232&h=297&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0&r=0)
(https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.Mf419cfcc582c2db221fc97b3a0921474H0&w=300&h=234&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0&r=0)
Yeah. Exactly. The one problem I have with the EU being decolonized is that my favorite Jedi no longer exists.
^^ Who?
As for Jedi marrying, that is supposedly a rule of the Old Jedi Order, but probably 95% of the humans in the Old Jedi Order broke that rule. After all, it's pretty hard to be human without love. It's really part of the definition.
@Sagetip
Which one's that?
Is it...
JEDI JAR-JAR?
(https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.M5586df9d739b82aca2326b1e1b8f174ao0&w=216&h=299&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0&r=0)
No. It is...
(http://darthjarjar.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/darth-darth-binks-jar-jar-binks-tur.jpg)
Quote from: Wylder Treejumper on December 26, 2015, 02:36:09 AM
^^ Who?
As for Jedi marrying, that is supposedly a rule of the Old Jedi Order, but probably 95% of the humans in the Old Jedi Order broke that rule. After all, it's pretty hard to be human without love. It's really part of the definition.
Kyle Katarn, of course. 8)
I've always liked Plo Koon for some odd reason. I really wished he had gotten a larger role.
Quote from: Gonff the Mousethief on December 26, 2015, 03:06:53 AM
I've always liked Plo Koon for some odd reason. I really wished he had gotten a larger role.
Meh.
Jedi aren't supposed to have children... Or feelings, or attachment of any sort. Idk, maybe Luke saw those as the absurd standards they are and changed them, but I think Rey is more likely a younger sister of Kylo Ren's, if anything. Really, though, I hope she's her own character with her own backstory and family.
I think Kylo Ren's costume is pretty much the same as Darth Revan's. Hopefully the Knights of Ren make an appearance in the second and third films.
Hello, fellow Star Wars fans.
If you would like to discuss the series as a whole, participate in quizzes, and share funny pictures, please head over to the Jar-Jar Binks fan club (http://redwallabbey.com/forum/index.php?topic=8567.0)!
May the force be with you,
Groddil.
Gosh, I really sound stupid!
GUYS I SAW THE FORCE AWAKENS AND AJFDKASJHLV IT WAS SO AMAZING GAHHHHHH HELP ME I'M DYING. FOR THE RECORD, MY FAVORITE CHARACTERS ARE POE, FINN, AND SORT OF KYLO REN EVEN THOUGH I ALSO HATE HIM SO I NEED PSYCHIATRIC HELP. HELP MEEEE...
Someone needs psychiatric help... JK
There, there. Somebody needs some therapy with Dr Jar-Jar. Look at this picture, and tel me what you see.
(https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.M2acf297fcb548a1e129d97caae3a8954H0&w=300&h=257&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0&r=0)
What. The. Bloody heck. I'm going to need my own therapy.
(I'm dying over here at you two's posts...)
*stares at picture* Wut.
Look closer, embrace the power of the
Dark Side Jar-Jar. Zoom in +500, save and download the image.
How do you feel? Has your brain been cleansed by the holy images of Jar-Jar?
Spoiler
(https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.M406c0b9821dbef47ffbad55ed0f6d650H0&w=300&h=225&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0&r=0)Jar Jar is watching...
No. And I actually bothered to zoom in.
All three of us (Jukka, Russa and I) got to see The Force Awakens! (Yeah, I know she already told you.) Anyway, it was totally AWESOME!!!!! Like, the best Star Wars movie ever!!! :D
QuoteHas your brain been cleansed by the holy images of Jar-Jar?
Wut?
Then you aren't looking hard enough. You need to lock yourself in a room with nothing except a DVD player and a copy of Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace. Do not eat or drink for twelve days, do not sleep, simply watch the video over and over until all you can think about is the amazing Jar-Jar Binks.
...I'd rather not.
Ah, but don't you know that Jar-Jar is actually an evil Sith Lord with the most developed mind-influencing powers ever seen in the Star Wars universe? Yes, it is really he, not Emperor Palpatine, who is the real evil in the series...
Quote from: Wylder Treejumper on December 27, 2015, 01:18:35 AM
Ah, but don't you know that Jar-Jar is actually an evil Sith Lord with the most developed mind-influencing powers ever seen in the Star Wars universe? Yes, it is really he, not Emperor Palpatine, who is the real evil in the series...
Why, then, does Palpatine get to rule the Empire?
Quote from: Groddil on December 27, 2015, 01:09:47 AM
Then you aren't looking hard enough. You need to lock yourself in a room with nothing except a DVD player and a copy of Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace. Do not eat or drink for twelve days, do not sleep,[/i] simply watch the video over and over until all you can think about is the amazing Jar-Jar Binks.
Emphasis mine. This will kill you; 3 days is generally the limit of how long one can survive without water. Some have lived longer, 8-10 days, but twelve would almost certainly be your demise.
Quote from: Izeroth on December 27, 2015, 01:23:36 AM
Quote from: Wylder Treejumper on December 27, 2015, 01:18:35 AM
Ah, but don't you know that Jar-Jar is actually an evil Sith Lord with the most developed mind-influencing powers ever seen in the Star Wars universe? Yes, it is really he, not Emperor Palpatine, who is the real evil in the series...
Why, then, does Palpatine get to rule the Empire?
The original trilogy was filmed earlier. Also, search up the reddit theory about how he's evil. I would link it but there's swearing in the comments section.
Quote from: Lord_Ashenwyte on December 27, 2015, 02:28:34 AM
Quote from: Izeroth on December 27, 2015, 01:23:36 AM
Quote from: Wylder Treejumper on December 27, 2015, 01:18:35 AM
Ah, but don't you know that Jar-Jar is actually an evil Sith Lord with the most developed mind-influencing powers ever seen in the Star Wars universe? Yes, it is really he, not Emperor Palpatine, who is the real evil in the series...
Why, then, does Palpatine get to rule the Empire?
The original trilogy was filmed earlier. Also, search up the reddit theory about how he's evil. I would link it but there's swearing in the comments section.
Da Theories (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezcP-Ys_voY)
I found the theory from reddit on a youtube video. Nothing seems bad in the comments here.
I saw The Force Awakens today... it was amazing! I'm disappointed with Kilo Ren, though. When he took off his mask, I was expecting some scarred, old warrior... not... whatever that was. He wasn't as cool after that :/
Also, I'm not sure that I liked Poe not being dead. I didn't dislike him. It's just that he was a minor character and it would have been better for him to have died and not appear all like "Yeah, I'm not dead... Surprise!"
Other than that, it was a very good movie and I would happily watch it again.
When Kylo was about to take off his mask, I was hoping for some young and cuteish guy. I wasn't disappointed. ;D That... hair...
Quote from: Groddil on December 27, 2015, 02:51:49 AM
Quote from: Lord_Ashenwyte on December 27, 2015, 02:28:34 AM
Quote from: Izeroth on December 27, 2015, 01:23:36 AM
Quote from: Wylder Treejumper on December 27, 2015, 01:18:35 AM
Ah, but don't you know that Jar-Jar is actually an evil Sith Lord with the most developed mind-influencing powers ever seen in the Star Wars universe? Yes, it is really he, not Emperor Palpatine, who is the real evil in the series...
Why, then, does Palpatine get to rule the Empire?
The original trilogy was filmed earlier. Also, search up the reddit theory about how he's evil. I would link it but there's swearing in the comments section.
Da Theories (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezcP-Ys_voY)
I found the theory from reddit on a youtube video. Nothing seems bad in the comments here.
The comments in the reddit post have swearing in them.
Cute? Cute?! He's a Sith! They are NOT supposed to be cute!
Several people I was with actually said he was pretty (they also told me that someone my age should have thought he was cute. But I thought he looked anything but cute. And especially not intimidating, which was what he was supposed to be).
Who says that Sith have to be frightfully ugly all the time? ;D And I think his apparent insecurity and lack of self-control make him interesting and set him apart from a lot of others. And his youthfulness partly explains the mask - he's gotta be intimidating in some way.
Russa thought he was ugly, Amber thought he was somewhere in-between, and I think he's sort of... interesting-looking, but also cute in an unusual sort of way. I think it depends on what stage of puberty you're in. :P (Russa's the youngest out of us three.)
He should have been intimidating, but he is only an inexperienced Sith.
But he seems to have great control of the Force...
Can we talk about that one major death scene, though... that hurt on so many levels. It was so twisted. :(
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on December 27, 2015, 03:24:55 AM
But he seems to have great control of the Force...
Can we talk about that one major death scene, though... that hurt on so many levels. It was so twisted. :(
To be honest, I was expecting Han to die from the moment he walked onto the bridge. I didn't imagine Abrams would let his main villain be turned back to good so easily.
I doubt how attractive people find him has to do with how old someone is. If it is... well, I already know there's something wrong with my brain.
And yes. That death scene was really sad. I haven't seen the other Star Wars movies in years, though it was still terrible :(
Quote from: Lord_Ashenwyte on December 27, 2015, 03:09:23 AM
Quote from: Groddil on December 27, 2015, 02:51:49 AM
Quote from: Lord_Ashenwyte on December 27, 2015, 02:28:34 AM
Quote from: Izeroth on December 27, 2015, 01:23:36 AM
Quote from: Wylder Treejumper on December 27, 2015, 01:18:35 AM
Ah, but don't you know that Jar-Jar is actually an evil Sith Lord with the most developed mind-influencing powers ever seen in the Star Wars universe? Yes, it is really he, not Emperor Palpatine, who is the real evil in the series...
Why, then, does Palpatine get to rule the Empire?
The original trilogy was filmed earlier. Also, search up the reddit theory about how he's evil. I would link it but there's swearing in the comments section.
Da Theories (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezcP-Ys_voY)
I found the theory from reddit on a youtube video. Nothing seems bad in the comments here.
The comments in the reddit post have swearing in them.
The link is to a youtube video, which is the reddit theory by some other guy, without the nasty comments full of swearzies.
If that had happened, it would have been one of the most brilliant plot twists of all time. That said, I don't think people would have appreciated it; I think we can only do so now that we've seen how the story was "supposed" to be.
Why yes, I have changed my avatar. Deal with it. Also, I dare you to click on my "website..."
MWAHAHAHAHAAHAAAA!
Quote from: Groddil on December 27, 2015, 01:09:47 AM
Then you aren't looking hard enough. You need to lock yourself in a room with nothing except a DVD player and a copy of Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace. Do not eat or drink for twelve days, do not sleep, simply watch the video over and over until all you can think about is the amazing Jar-Jar Binks.
Number one thing on my Bucket List.
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on December 27, 2015, 03:24:55 AM
But he seems to have great control of the Force...
Can we talk about that one major death scene, though... that hurt on so many levels. It was so twisted. :(
If you look at his lightsaber, it's blade is rougher than the one of Luke. He also fails to use the Force to get Luke's lightsaber.
The scene with Han Solo and Kylo Ren was so good. I do dislike the fact that J. J Abrams glossed over Han's death so quickly.
The movie was fun and entertaining, but JJ played it way too safe.
It became predictable with all of the callbacks to A New Hope...it was more like A New Hope 2.0. That's what I didn't want - we needed more new territory.
Which only raises the stakes for Episode 8 and 9 that much more for me.
Specifically:
-I want Luke Skywalker in full "Jedi Master" mode, and if he is to die, not until Episode 9
-Yoda needs to appear as a force ghost, with Frank Oz performing his voice, something that should be done because Frank Oz is still alive
-James Earl Jones needs to do the Vader voice one last time while he is still alive
The EU was very rich and vast, and could/should have been mined for story inspiration. Jacen, Jaina and Mara Jade all deserved on-screen counterparts.
We'll see where this goes. JJ Abrams did a better job reinvigorating a franchise with his Star Trek film than he did with this.
Also, the new Creed movie does a better job of reinvigorating a franchise as well.
Quote from: Eulaliaaa! on December 27, 2015, 03:48:20 AM
I doubt how attractive people find him has to do with how old someone is. If it is... well, I already know there's something wrong with my brain.
And yes. That death scene was really sad. I haven't seen the other Star Wars movies in years, though it was still terrible :(
Wait... sorry, I wasn't trying to offend... :-\
Yeah.... And I had already been spoiled thanks to this thread. :P But it
hurt. It was just so
wrong the way Ren seemed to hand over his saber and then so maliciously flicked it on. And then the way Han stroked his face (the FEELS) and then got pushed off that stupid walkway. I was hoping his body would at least be left there so there'd be a chance of retrieving it, but nooo. And then everything blew up, so it didn't matter anyway. :P
Quote from: Lord_Ashenwyte on December 27, 2015, 07:53:16 AM
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on December 27, 2015, 03:24:55 AM
But he seems to have great control of the Force...
Can we talk about that one major death scene, though... that hurt on so many levels. It was so twisted. :(
If you look at his lightsaber, it's blade is rougher than the one of Luke. He also fails to use the Force to get Luke's lightsaber.
The scene with Han Solo and Kylo Ren was so good. I do dislike the fact that J. J Abrams glossed over Han's death so quickly.
Yeah, and I think that's cool, 'cause his saber reflects his own unstable personality.
I chalk that up to the fact that he was wounded and possibly conflicted over killing his father. Thus, he wasn't exactly at his strongest right then.
Oh, guys, I found a oneshot on fanfiction.net about Han's death. It has one use of an 's' word variation, so I'm not sure if I should link it or not, but besides that it was SO GOOD....
I felt really bad for Han, but unfortunately I already knew that he was going to die thanks to Jukka telling both me and Russa that he gets killed by Ren.
QuoteJukka the Sling : December 26, 2015, 10:02:43 PM
When Kylo was about to take off his mask, I was hoping for some young and cuteish guy. I wasn't disappointed. ;D That... hair...
Seriously? Come on, Jukka, he wasn't even that good-looking. It's like you have some sort of crush thing on him. He's a SITH.
Yeah, you've told me that like a million times. ::) He isn't the cutest guy I've ever seen, but like I said, he's attractive in an unconventional way. :P
Quote from: LordTBT on December 28, 2015, 06:23:09 AM
The movie was fun and entertaining, but JJ played it way too safe.
It became predictable with all of the callbacks to A New Hope...it was more like A New Hope 2.0. That's what I didn't want - we needed more new territory.
Which only raises the stakes for Episode 8 and 9 that much more for me.
Specifically:
-I want Luke Skywalker in full "Jedi Master" mode, and if he is to die, not until Episode 9
-Yoda needs to appear as a force ghost, with Frank Oz performing his voice, something that should be done because Frank Oz is still alive
-James Earl Jones needs to do the Vader voice one last time while he is still alive
The EU was very rich and vast, and could/should have been mined for story inspiration. Jacen, Jaina and Mara Jade all deserved on-screen counterparts.
We'll see where this goes. JJ Abrams did a better job reinvigorating a franchise with his Star Trek film than he did with this.
Also, the new Creed movie does a better job of reinvigorating a franchise as well.
KYLE KATARN FOR THE WIN
(Sorry)
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on December 28, 2015, 06:03:32 PM
Yeah, you've told me that like a million times. ::) He isn't the cutest guy I've ever seen, but like I said, he's attractive in an unconventional way. :P
I noticed that you didn't deny having a crush on him.
Is he actually a Sith? I thought the Knights of Ren were similar and analogous but distinct.
Quote from: rusvulthesaber on December 28, 2015, 07:19:57 PM
Is he actually a Sith? I thought the Knights of Ren were similar and analogous but distinct.
*looks it up* Apparently you're right.
Quote from: Lady Amber on December 28, 2015, 06:49:53 PM
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on December 28, 2015, 06:03:32 PM
Yeah, you've told me that like a million times. ::) He isn't the cutest guy I've ever seen, but like I said, he's attractive in an unconventional way. :P
I noticed that you didn't deny having a crush on him.
You still haven't responded to this.
QuoteJukka the Sling : Today at 02:25:05 PM
Quote from: rusvulthesaber on Today at 02:19:57 PM
Is he actually a Sith? I thought the Knights of Ren were similar and analogous but distinct.
*looks it up* Apparently you're right.
Oh, okay.
Quote from: Lady Amber on December 28, 2015, 07:35:56 PM
Quote from: Lady Amber on December 28, 2015, 06:49:53 PM
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on December 28, 2015, 06:03:32 PM
Yeah, you've told me that like a million times. ::) He isn't the cutest guy I've ever seen, but like I said, he's attractive in an unconventional way. :P
I noticed that you didn't deny having a crush on him.
You still haven't responded to this.
You seemed to disapprove of my fascination with Kylo Ren earlier because he's a Sith. Well, we just discovered that he's not a Sith, so you should have no problem with it now. ;D
Yes, but the Nightsisters of Dathomir "technically" weren't Sith, even though they were force-users and used their powers for evil.
Are we talking about the same Kylo Ren? Because I would not consider that guy the epitome of attractiveness- unless you're into Snape, maybe.
I love how this thread has largely turned into a discussion on Kylo Ren's attractiveness ;D
On the movie itself, I enjoyed it quite a bit, especially the humor. BB8 and Finn are the best.
Quote from: Wylder Treejumper on December 29, 2015, 03:38:49 AM
Are we talking about the same Kylo Ren? Because I would not consider that guy the epitome of attractiveness- unless you're into Snape, maybe.
*looks up Snape* Ren looks nothing like him. ::)
Quote from: Wylder Treejumper on December 29, 2015, 03:38:49 AM
Are we talking about the same Kylo Ren? Because I would not consider that guy the epitome of attractiveness- unless you're into Snape, maybe.
This.
Quote from: Jetthebinturong on December 29, 2015, 04:03:02 AM
Quote from: Wylder Treejumper on December 29, 2015, 03:38:49 AM
Are we talking about the same Kylo Ren? Because I would not consider that guy the epitome of attractiveness- unless you're into Snape, maybe.
This.
What about it...?
It means I agree.
In the theater my mom leaned over and told me he looked like Snape. I find it funny that y'all think so as well.
On another note, I was happy to see Admiral Ackbar and Nien Numb still kicking.
I died a little inside when Han Solo did.
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on December 29, 2015, 03:59:57 AM
Quote from: Wylder Treejumper on December 29, 2015, 03:38:49 AM
Are we talking about the same Kylo Ren? Because I would not consider that guy the epitome of attractiveness- unless you're into Snape, maybe.
*looks up Snape* Ren looks nothing like him. ::)
Grease his hair and give him a few years, and you won't be able to tell them apart.
Quote from: Wylder Treejumper on December 30, 2015, 01:13:16 AM
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on December 29, 2015, 03:59:57 AM
Quote from: Wylder Treejumper on December 29, 2015, 03:38:49 AM
Are we talking about the same Kylo Ren? Because I would not consider that guy the epitome of attractiveness- unless you're into Snape, maybe.
*looks up Snape* Ren looks nothing like him. ::)
Grease his hair and give him a few years, and you won't be able to tell them apart.
I know.
Quote from: Soren the Warrior on December 29, 2015, 11:59:50 PM
I died a little inside when Han Solo did.
I knew beforehand that he was gonna die, so I was just waiting for Kylo to betray him during that scene. But yeah, I still can't believe he's gone! :( And he was such a major character!
It's annoying that the First Order felt the need to make their superweapon planet sized. Overcompensation.
Yeah. But what annoys me the most is Kylo Ren. I think it would have been better if he never took off the helmet. I'd still think he was cool.
Lolz.
Aaanyway, I found an interesting article giving more clues to Rey's identity and other interesting tidbits: http://www.dailydot.com/geek/star-wars-force-awakens-novelization-highlights/
Hmmm, that's interesting. I was wondering why R2-D2 had woken up, and that makes sense :P
Quote from: Eulaliaaa! on December 30, 2015, 11:06:35 PM
Yeah. But what annoys me the most is Kylo Ren. I think it would have been better if he never took off the helmet. I'd still think he was cool.
Or maybe Han lived, Rey killed Kylo, and Han took off the helmet, akin to Luke and Vader, and with his dying breath Kylo completes his journey to the dark side by killing his father.
That would've been interesting, but I doubt there would have been time for that. And if Rey had killed Kylo, wouldn't she have gone to the Dark Side?
...No?
Heroes always kill villains in fiction.
Yeah, but Kylo almost killed Fin, and Rey obviously wasn't thrilled about that. So if she had actually killed him and Han lived to take the helmet off his son's face, the audience would have seen Kylo die. Which would be because of Rey. But I'm not sure that Kylo is dead. He could have gotten off the planet before it exploded, and if he didn't, then it was the planet that killed him - not Rey. In the link Jukka gave, it says in the book that Rey defeated the Dark Side by not finishing him off and giving into the urge to kill him for hurting Fin. I'm not sure if what I'm trying to say is clear, but I think you might get what I'm trying to say.
Ah. I didn't read the thing Jukka linked because I want to find out who Rey is from the movies. Besides that's all fan stuff and doesn't really mean anything.
It wasn't actually fan stuff; it was in the authorized movie novelization.
@Eul: Kylo actually did survive because Snoke commanded Hux to bring him to him.
He did? I don't remember that... Well, that's good. I want to see what happens to him. And I want to see how that scar turns out, it may make him look less childish and more intimidating like he should have been.
Actually, I'm not sure I would've remembered either - I saw it on the Wookieepedia page. :P And anyway, the actor, Adam Driver, is signed on for the next two movies.
Well after reading the article, I'm glad they kept the Disneyfication of Star Wars to the novel. Any Jedi would have killed Kylo Ren, and this supposed Finn/Rey/Poe love triangle definitely does NOT belong in these movies.
Wait, love triangle? What half-wit fan theory is this?
Quote from: Jetthebinturong on December 31, 2015, 01:05:35 AM
...No?
Heroes always kill villains in fiction.
Last time I checked, in the REAL Star Wars movies (the prequels don't exist. Wait, what prequels?), Luke doesn't kill the bad guy. The bad guy kills the bad guy. So yeah. I hope they keep that whole thing; it was kind of noble, if a bit impractical.
I don't know anything about the novel (which, unfortunately, if what you're saying is true, is starting to sound unfaithful to the film), but I'm not sure what the problem with the love triangle thing is. It wasn't very pronounced, but there was almost kinda sorta one in ANH and ESB, what with Leia, Luke and Han.
As far as any Jedi would have killed somebody, I'm not sure that's true. Obi-Wan, the quintessential Jedi, didn't kill Anakin. It's strongly implied that Anakin shouldn't have killed Dooku. Anakin himself claimed that Mace Windu shouldn't kill Palpatine (although that's a lot more ambiguous, since we know that Palpatine wasn't unarmed or defenseless). Luke didn't kill Darth Vader. At the least, I think there's ample evidence that finishing off a defeated opponent isn't a Jedi characteristic, and it sounds like that was the circumstance in this situation.
Obi-Wan intended to kill Anakin, he said so himself at the beginning of the fight. And leaving someone to die because of your actions is killing them, no matter how you dress it up.
Anakin was under the influence of the Dark Side, Windu should have put Palpitine down. He was right in sayin he's to dangerous to be left alive. He owned the courts. Obi Wan showed no remorse after killing Darth Maul (or supposedly killing), and Yod and Obi Wan had to problem killing the clones at the Jedi temple. Darth Vader killed the Emperor as well. Darth Vader ceased being the bad guy, he let the good in him act.
Replace "good guy" with "protagonist."
@Soren: Yeah, I agree. That novelization apparently says that you can't kill an enemy out of hate because that's giving in to the Dark Side. What are you supposed to do, then? If you let the enemy live, more innocent lives will likely be destroyed.
It would make sense that they could defeat an enemy in a battle, self defense or for the greater good if they're evil. But murder would be the Dark Side.
That I get, of course, but Rey was fulfilling all three of the reasons you listed. *is annoyed by the guy who wrote the novel*
Like I said, noble, but a bit impractical.
Quote from: Soren the Warrior on December 31, 2015, 05:45:49 PM
...Windu should have put Palpatine down. He was right in saying he's too dangerous to be left alive. Obi Wan showed no remorse after killing Darth Maul (or supposedly killing), and Yoda and Obi Wan had no problem killing the clones at the Jedi temple. Darth Vader killed the Emperor as well. Darth Vader ceased being the bad guy; he let the good in him act.
None of those are comparable cases, though. In each of those circumstances the person slain was armed and dangerous. Darth Maul and the clones were both carrying weapons, and Palpatine was clearly always dangerous as long as he had any Force power to draw on. In none of these cases were they killing a defeated, defenseless enemy.
I haven't seen the film or read the story yet, so I'm not clear as to what happens in the duel, but if it ends with Rey standing over Kylo Ren, holding a lightsaber at his throat, the precedent (shown in ROTS and ROTJ) seems to be to let him live.
As far as Obi-Wan goes, it's difficult to address this question with the EU being gone now. All I feel like saying right now is that his comment (the one I assume you're referring to, "I will do what I must") seems pretty open-ended to me.
Nah they're in a blade-lock, no one gets disarmed, no one's on the floor.
Actually, I thought Rey had the upper hand until they were separated.@James
But you have the example that Anakin told Windu he shouldn't kill Palpitine? so did I?
Quote from: Soren the Warrior on December 31, 2015, 09:49:19 PM
But you have the example that Anakin told Windu he shouldn't kill Palpitine? so did I?
Eh? Could you rephrase that; it does not compute.
Never mind, I'm so confused.