Matthias vs Cluny Fair Fight

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Who would win if Matthias fought Cluny in a real fight, without Matthias chopping the Joseph bell?

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Rivertheotter

#15
February 22, 2015, 07:50:35 PM
Although I hate to say it, Cluny would definitely win. He's stronger, bigger, and way more experienced. The only real obstacle Matthias had beforehand was Asmodeus. That said, Matthias was totally in the right by crushing Cluny to death with the Joseph bell.
My, that sounds rather brutal.
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#16
February 22, 2015, 08:32:45 PM
Good Points :)
I think Matthias would win. He had the Spirit of Martin the Warrior to help him. As BJ says, good always wins.

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#17
February 22, 2015, 09:13:29 PM Last Edit: February 22, 2015, 09:17:20 PM by Skyblade
As Wot said, welcome to the forum, River! :) If ye want, you can introduce yourself here: http://redwallabbey.com/forum/index.php?topic=177.2745

Speaking rationally, I would honestly say Cluny. Not that Matthias isn't brilliant himself, but he didn't have the experience that Cluny had as a legendary warlord. The thing Wot said about the spirit of Martin is an interesting point, though.

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#18
February 23, 2015, 05:51:19 PM
If Matthias and Cluny had fought at the time of Mattimeio, when Matthias's skill had improved and he had a much more even head on his shoulders, I think he might win against Cluny.
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Rivertheotter

#19
February 27, 2015, 11:11:06 PM
Quote from: Wot, wot! on February 22, 2015, 08:32:45 PM
Good Points :)
I think Matthias would win. He had the Spirit of Martin the Warrior to help him. As BJ says, good always wins.

Welcome to the forums Rivertheotter :)
why thank you sir wot, wot! :D
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#20
February 28, 2015, 12:27:16 AM

I suppose Cluny would win just because he only had to wound Matthias once to finish the fight. Unfortunately for him he was standing in the perfect spot for a bell to fall on him ending the fight rather suddenly.


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#21
February 28, 2015, 02:08:07 AM
Welcome to the forums Otter!  :)

I would think that the battle in the Belltower was a fair fight where both Matthias and Cluny could both use their advantages easily and use the enemy's disadvantages against them.
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#22
February 28, 2015, 02:57:56 AM
Quote from: Rivertheotter on February 27, 2015, 11:11:06 PM
Quote from: Wot, wot! on February 22, 2015, 08:32:45 PM
Good Points :)
I think Matthias would win. He had the Spirit of Martin the Warrior to help him. As BJ says, good always wins.

Welcome to the forums Rivertheotter :)
why thank you sir wot, wot! :D
Wot's a female, just so you know. :P
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#23
February 28, 2015, 03:22:14 AM
Quote from: The Skarzs on February 28, 2015, 02:57:56 AM
Quote from: Rivertheotter on February 27, 2015, 11:11:06 PM
Quote from: Wot, wot! on February 22, 2015, 08:32:45 PM
Good Points :)
I think Matthias would win. He had the Spirit of Martin the Warrior to help him. As BJ says, good always wins.

Welcome to the forums Rivertheotter :)
why thank you sir wot, wot! :D
Wot's a female, just so you know. :P
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#24
March 01, 2015, 08:38:53 PM
I personally would say that Cluny would win.

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I know, but it was just too hard for Matthias, as Cluny was too experienced for him.
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#25
March 02, 2015, 03:10:21 AM Last Edit: March 02, 2015, 06:41:19 PM by The Skarzs
Not necessarily. If Matthias had not beaten Cluny, either the otters with their slings would have taken him down, or Constance would have had some time to vent her anger on him.

Quote from: Ballaw De Quincewold on February 28, 2015, 03:22:14 AM
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Rivertheotter

#26
March 02, 2015, 01:44:28 PM
well, it is hard to tell on the internet.
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#27
March 02, 2015, 02:27:11 PM
I do think Cluny would win, like others said. He has the poison tail, which he could use to poison Matthias, and he is far stronger. Matthias didn't have much experience then as well.
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Rivertheotter

#28
March 02, 2015, 05:50:06 PM
It seems that everyone is talking about how Matthias used the environment to his advantage, and so did basically every hero. Tam sharpened his shield, Martin tricked Tsarmina into the river, etc.etc. That's how all the heroes won; using their wits.
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#29
March 09, 2015, 10:26:48 PM
In a FAIR fight, I guess that Matthias would have a little advantage, because Cluny always seems to rely on dirty tricks and the use of multiple weapons at the same time, but I honestly don't know how to answer that. The rat is an skilled fighter regardless of said tricks (please note that I'm mostly concluding things based on what I saw on the TV series).

It would be an even match.
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