2016 Presidential Elections

[Ashleg]

I can't vote but if I could it would be for Hillary because she seems like the lesser of two evils.

I liked Bernie but nooo.

[Captain Tammo]

This is my first presidential election I'll be voting in. Really not sure which is the better of the two major candidates, but I heard Johnson (this mysterious third candidate) has a shot that most independent party members don't have. I need to do some more research before I get to my final decision, but boy does this election cycle seem bad.

[LT Sandpaw]

Bernie is a Socialist. Socialism has failed even for Communist China, which has somewhat adopted Capitalism.


So just so ya'll know I really, really, really dislike Trump. But I dislike Hillary more and here's a few reasons why I just can't consider voting for Hillary. BTW I'm an independent voter, with a strong conservative base, but slight left leaning ideals.
These are all facts to the best of my knowledge, and not just opinion. If there is anything provably untrue, please provide links or evidence that say so.

Hilary rigged the game with the Democratic primaries so Bernie couldn't win using super delegates. Basically Bernie won in California, but due to these Super Delegates he lost. They actually have it recorded on video where they just made up the numbers Bernie would get.

She claims to support women, but takes large financial donations from countries that abuse, and stone women. Forcing them to wear full body coverings, or face death. Also those same countries throw gays off of roofs, and some still practice slavery.

She's called Gold Star Families liars. For saying she lied about Benghazi, which she did lie about Benghazi. Claiming the 2012 attacks to be caused by a Youtube video. You know the attacks that happened on 9/11/12. During the Democratic Debate she called the mother of a fallen Navy Seal wrong, insisting the attacks were caused by a "Insensitive youtube video we had nothing to do with." Just watch the movie 13 Hours to get a basic rundown of what actually happened.

She's claimed to be an outsider when she literally is the dictionary reference of a political insider. Married to the former president, and the Former Secretary of State, the head of a Foundation that gets donations from corporations and pay to play special interest insiders, and also foreign country leaders.

She lied about leaving the Whitehouse dirt poor, and having to start from the ground up. You know, the ground up living on the permanent Presidential salary from Bill Clinton plus the money from the Clinton Foundation.

Her best claim to presidency is that she's a women. I always break this one by asking people if they'd be more willing to vote for Trump if he did the transgender thing and became a women. 

She's got an obvious media bias, which sets up the massive double standard between her and Trump. And apparently simply disagreeing with her makes one a wide array of different things, all of which are preferably left unmentioned.

Her email scandal, the big one you've probably heard about, where she sent classified documents through an unsecured server, which was hacked, and sensitive, dangerous documents were stolen. To which she lied, and deleted all her emails claiming most were personal or featuring yoga. Deleting I might add, evidence in a investigation which is a criminal act. Lying under oath which is a criminal act. And yet somehow getting away with it, which we can only assume was done by bribes. A criminal act.

I don't know about ya'll, but I find the insensitive, slightly insane, jerk whose name is Trump, to be a little more appealing to the lying, criminal, insider, who just happens to be a women, Hillary.

Of course that's just my opinion.

Edit: James why is the word gays censored?

[Skyblade]

Are there people who are attracted to/want to vote for Hillary because she's a woman?

[LT Sandpaw]

Yes. That is probably one of her biggest appeals. Is that she's a women.

[Jetthebinturong]

One of her main arguments is that she's a woman and therefore deserves to be president. Saying things like "as the first female president of the United States" and then continuing to talk about things which have nothing to do with gender.

But I'd rather have a politically competent criminal in office than a blustering politically inexperienced bully like Trump. Clinton may be scary for America, but Trump is scary for the world.

[Banya]

The fact that Hillary is a woman is not appealing to me. She represents women about as well as Trump represents Americans. I'm pretty done with feeling embarrassed about all of this.

I'd be interested in a poll change to who is voting in the upcoming election, just to gauge how many of us are old enough and will vote, old enough and won't vote, and aren't old enough to vote.

[Skyblade]

Yes. That is probably one of her biggest appeals. Is that she's a women.

No disrespect to anyone who believes this, but I completely disagree.

I'd like a female president sometime too. Not only that, but diversity in ethnicity (we've yet to have a Hispanic, Asian-American, etc. president, although it's great we've had an African American one) would be really nice, too.

But this quality shouldn't be a criterion for voting, in my opinion. If you're voting for Hillary because she's a woman, you're voting for her because of who she is, rather than what she can do. Nobody chooses whether to be born male or female, white or black, this or that. This quality has no bearing on her abilities, which we ought to be focusing on instead.

Honestly, I'm shocked. Can anyone provide a counterargument to what I'm saying? Because this doesn't make sense to me.

EDIT: I agree with Banya's idea.

[LT Sandpaw]

 During the Democratic Debate, and other press conferences. Which I've watched. One of her best ways to get around serious political questions was, "Well I'll be the first women president." That has everything to do with gender, and nothing, nothing to do with policy.

By the way you'd rather have a criminal in the office of the most powerful person. In. The. World. Because why? Your afraid Trump is going to start WW3? The guy whose chummy with Putin? The guy who wants to fix terrible trade deals with China? The guy whose visited the Mexican president to discuss this wall he's going to build. The guy who built a multi billon dollar company off a million dollar loan from his dad? The guy who wants to stomp out terrorism?

I mean sure its nice for other countries to have a pushover like Obama as America's president, but if things really came down to it. Would you rather the leader of the free world is someone that inspires people. Or a leader that disgusts and sells out her country of the right price? Whose only president because of her gender, and special interest groups?

@Skyblade  Thank you Sky, you wont believe how many people write me off simply because I'm a white male.

[Groddil]

But I'd rather have a politically competent criminal in office than a blustering politically inexperienced bully like Trump. Clinton may be scary for America, but Trump is scary for the world.

Agreed.

[Ashleg]

But I'd rather have a politically competent criminal in office than a blustering politically inexperienced bully like Trump. Clinton may be scary for America, but Trump is scary for the world.

Agreed.

Second that.

But honestly, guys.

[Groddil]

But I'd rather have a politically competent criminal in office than a blustering politically inexperienced bully like Trump. Clinton may be scary for America, but Trump is scary for the world.

Agreed.

Second that.

But honestly, guys.

I love that joke.

[Ashleg]

Same here, mate.

[Captain Tammo]

I think that being a female candidate at this time has a whole lot of meaning to many people. We are living in a time where there have been big revivals to movements for women and minorities. This is because these groups of people feel that they are not being represented fairly or not being given equal treatment for various social and economical issues. Hillary has made it a cornerstone of her campaign to appeal to these voters, so I think that it's natural women, hispanics, blacks, and demographics with a history of being treated unfairly would rally behind her. If not for the economic strategy, certainly the social strategy. Hillary has done a very good job painting herself as a candidate for social justice. The fact that it's very possible she becomes the first women president would register as an enormous victory on the social justice front for these people.

On the other hand, you have Trump, who seems to have struck a nerve with a lot of people around the country who feel that America is not as great as it once was. Many people feel that, under the current administration, America has become a country that is weak and a pushover. Which, naturally, makes them really angry. The economic policy that Trump suggests would be one that seeks to keep the country from declining into bankruptcy, and he is someone who is looking to do what a large chunk of the popullation would want to do: make Mexico build the wall, get out of the bad trade deals with China, be more firm with the countries in the Middle East, etc. People are also supporting Trump because he is someone who cannot be bought out. Being a multi-billionaire, bribing or using money against him as leverage has no effect, so voters feel safe in putting their trust in someone who appears less likely to become corrupt. Given the chance that he becomes president, many voters feel that this would be a big step in the right direction to making the country a bigger economic powerhouse and less of a "pushover".

[Ashleg]

I think Obama's done a better job than people give him credit for.