2016 Presidential Elections

[Groddil]

@Everyone

Back me up here, guys.

[LT Sandpaw]

If you are so sure he's racist, then give me one example of how he's racist.

[Ashleg]

It should be obvious to anyone who can hear that he's racist.

But anyway...
He makes a better meme than politician.

YOUR CANIDATE, EVERYBODY!

[LT Sandpaw]

Can you provide evidence. A quote, a soundbyte, a thirty second video showing him doing or saying something racist against any ethnicity.

Not just hurt feelings. I'm serious guys. Anything?

[Groddil]

I'm just going to put these here:

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racism-history
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83

[Ashleg]

There is also this, which is just twisted if I were to put it simply.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/07/opinions/trump-purple-heart-sean-barney/

[Cornflower MM]

Peony, Chipster of Noonvale, Jukka the Sling, LT Sandpaw, psybox and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

^^ Well. Politics sure bring us together. To argue. So much fun.

[LT Sandpaw]

 That was a lot of material. The fact that its the Huffington Post and a copy of the Huffington post makes me doubt its legitimacy. And just reading some of the sources cited makes me wonder how this proves Trump's a racist. But I'll keep reading, and if I find anything that actually is a legit source, and shows Trump is racist then I'll come back on and admit you were right.

[The Skarzs]

He's a blowhard, alright, we know. And while we shouldn't judge him for being racist or not, he certainly does have a thing against too much foreign influence/input- Which in a way is good, because if our country focuses more on our own resources, it may improve our economy.

[Skyblade]

Thanks for the alternative viewpoints, Captain Leo! I still disagree with them though, to be honest.

I think that being a female candidate at this time has a whole lot of meaning to many people. We are living in a time where there have been big revivals to movements for women and minorities. This is because these groups of people feel that they are not being represented fairly or not being given equal treatment for various social and economical issues. Hillary has made it a cornerstone of her campaign to appeal to these voters, so I think that it's natural women, hispanics, blacks, and demographics with a history of being treated unfairly would rally behind her. If not for the economic strategy, certainly the social strategy. Hillary has done a very good job painting herself as a candidate for social justice. The fact that it's very possible she becomes the first women president would register as an enormous victory on the social justice front for these people.

Personally, I think the idea that Hillary should be voted for social reform is more emotional appeal than anything else. I understand that her election would be a milestone in US History, but at what cost? I would rather have a competent white male in office than an incompetent minority who just got his/her name written in the history textbooks for innate qualities. I'm not saying that Trump is competent, either, but I hope I've made my point. I believe that people need to focus less on this and more on who would do better for our country. Period.

On the other hand, you have Trump, who seems to have struck a nerve with a lot of people around the country who feel that America is not as great as it once was. Many people feel that, under the current administration, America has become a country that is weak and a pushover. Which, naturally, makes them really angry. The economic policy that Trump suggests would be one that seeks to keep the country from declining into bankruptcy, and he is someone who is looking to do what a large chunk of the popullation would want to do: make Mexico build the wall, get out of the bad trade deals with China, be more firm with the countries in the Middle East, etc. People are also supporting Trump because he is someone who cannot be bought out. Being a multi-billionaire, bribing or using money against him as leverage has no effect, so voters feel safe in putting their trust in someone who appears less likely to become corrupt. Given the chance that he becomes president, many voters feel that this would be a big step in the right direction to making the country a bigger economic powerhouse and less of a "pushover."

Perhaps, but at what cost? Personally, just watching him speak makes me uneasy. Shouldn't a President be more tactful? I mean, let's think about this. The President isn't just a powerful figure - he (or she ) is a representation of America. And to imagine Trump, with his ever-changing attitude and coarse language, as the person standing for our country is rather unnerving.

Then again, the same can be said of Hillary, but with different reasons. America, what have we done.

[The Skarzs]

Tactful? The problem with most politicians is that they're too tactful! No straight answer, always changing the subject, deflecting the matter onto someone or something else, and a plethora of other ways of turning the question around to slap the asker in the face or simply kill the query altogether.
Not being argumentative, I'm more of ranting on how politics work. . . (Pah. . . politically correct is an oxymoron.)

[LT Sandpaw]

Pah. . . politically correct is an oxymoron.)

Lol. I almost died reading that. That ought to be a meme, is that a meme I just haven't seen yet?


BTW @Groddil @Ashleg

So last night I spent a good portion of time reading through those articles ya'll presented as "Evidence," of Trump being racist. After a good inspection, and I really scoured those things, my faith in Huffington has now dropped from the negatives, into the even worse negatives.

Nothing on there provides hard evidence due to circular research, improperly quoted individuals, and simply absurd accusations. The best thing that is on there, the best thing, is that Trump said a judge was impartial because they were Mexican. That's racist and rude and I'll admit that. Unfortunately that doesn't seal in stone that Trump is a full blown racist, though it does support that he's rude which I don't think anyone is denying.

Still rude is better then criminal.

As for the Gold Star Family. I was disgusted when this came out, because people for some reason think that this gold star family is allowed to insult, and demine, and falsely quote Trump without him being able to say a thing about it. And then when Trump does come along and deny what they are saying about him. He's racist because they are Muslim? Nah, that's not how it works. Frankly its even worse because a gold star family is calling Hillary a liar and blaming her or their son's death, and she's allowed to tell the world they are wrong, and blinded by grief, and they don't know what they're talking about. But that's fine? Because, she's a Democrat, and the media sides with her.

As for the purple heart thing.... I don't understand how that makes him racist. I think the proper word is. Rude.

[The Skarzs]

Definitely rude and blunt.

Pah. . . politically correct is an oxymoron.)

Lol. I almost died reading that.

It's true, though! It really is!

[LT Sandpaw]

I know.

[Jetthebinturong]

I did a project on Donald Trump for my Media Production course highlighting all the racist and rude things he's said. I can't remember much of it, but one I do remember is a quote from him saying something like "It is a fact that blacks are bad at handling money. I wouldn't trust blacks with my money. The people I want handling my money are the short people who wear little hats."

EDIT: I FOUND THE EXACT QUOTE! "And isn't it funny. I've got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day."

He also said "Laziness is a trait in blacks."

He refused to condemn the endorsement of white supremacists including a former leader of the KKK.

When his supporters attacked a "Black Lives Matter" protestor at his rally, what did he say? Oh yes "Maybe he should have been roughed up." And the guys who attacked and urinated on a homeless Latino man (and they said they did it because "Trump was right - these illegals need to be deported") who was BORN AND RAISED in the USA? "Oh they're just really passionate." No Donald, that's what we call being a disgusting racist.

Not to mention the fact that whenever he's accused of racism he says "Oh but I'm not racist, I have (insert minority group here) friends" which is a textbook racist response.

And he refers to whole groups of people with blanket statements, calling them "The blacks," "the muslims" and "the Hispanics."

And that is supremely racist.

He's revolting.