Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens *SPOILER ALERT*

[Vilu Daskar]

You're welcome Jukka.

Wylder, Jedi can't have kids, it goes against their Jedi thing.

[Gonff the Mousethief]

Luke was the last Jedi though, so no one was stopping him.

[Hickory]

Stormtroopers are normal people. If they didn't have feelings, I'd be disturbed.

At least as of this movie, anyway. The Rebels probably destroyed the cloning facility on Kamino, which would mean they'd have to start recruiting normal people.

^Poll

What's so bad about Jar-Jar?

I am going to get so much hate for this.

If you've ever played Battlefront 2, the 501st headed to Kamino with Boba Fett because the Kaminoans rebelled. They had a seperate clone force that fought against the Empire (unti; theyw ere all killed and the cloning samples were destroyed). Hence, the Empire had to recruit normal people (all humans) (with the exception of Admiral Thrawn, which is EU)

[Wylder Treejumper]

Conscription would be more accurate. Kaminoan cloning was obsolete by the end of the Clone Wars, and Spartii cloning produced unstable troopers with limited "shelf life", so Imperial Stormtroopers were taken from their families at birth and totally indoctrinated in Imperial and human supremacist ideas. The First Order would, I assume, do the same. Such extensive programming makes it unlikely for any defectors to occur in the first place, and very unlikely to be able to execute a defection of such magnitude as FN-2187's (Finn).

As for Jar-Jar, he's just an annoying blabbermouth.

[LT Sandpaw]

Or is Jar Jar a secret Sith Lord pretending to be a fool...

We may never know...


As for Finn's defection it was clear one of his friends died right before he started having mutinous ideas. (The one that put a bloody handprint on his helmet.) Also it is possible he is force sensitive just not on the level Ray is, making him more resistant to the brainwashing of the First Order. This is BTW just speculation on my part.

[Gonff the Mousethief]

Well, he was a janitor for the First Order, and the scene we see was his first mission. I guess then it hit him when they had to kill innocent people.

[Wylder Treejumper]

Indeed. Speaking of which, I think this is probably the first movie I've seen with a janitor as a hero.

Regardless of what anyone says about the movie, the soundtrack is, of course, amazing (Thank you, John Williams). I actually got that for a Christmas present, so now I've been listening to it non-stop for the past 5 hours.

[Hickory]

Conscription would be more accurate. Kaminoan cloning was obsolete by the end of the Clone Wars, and Spartii cloning produced unstable troopers with limited "shelf life", so Imperial Stormtroopers were taken from their families at birth and totally indoctrinated in Imperial and human supremacist ideas. The First Order would, I assume, do the same. Such extensive programming makes it unlikely for any defectors to occur in the first place, and very unlikely to be able to execute a defection of such magnitude as FN-2187's (Finn).

As for Jar-Jar, he's just an annoying blabbermouth.

(I never meant to be accurate, just to let Sandpaw know what I remember. [I hate being a nerd, but not being enough of a nerd to get nerdy things right])

[Groddil]

Wasn't the EU no longer considered canon, because wouldn't Battlefront fit into it?

Also,

[Jetthebinturong]

You're welcome Jukka.

Wylder, Jedi can't have kids, it goes against their Jedi thing.

Nah, that's the OLD Jedi order. Luke recognised that the system would never work, you'd have countless Anakins and brainwashing kids to fight for your cause from birth really isn't morally acceptable. Therefore when Luke established the new Jedi order he abolished all their rules about emotions and love and stuff...

...at least that's what happened in the EU. Movie canon is iffy.

[Hickory]

Wasn't the EU no longer considered canon, because wouldn't Battlefront fit into it?

Also,

Yeah. Exactly. The one problem I have with the EU being decolonized is that my favorite Jedi no longer exists.

[Wylder Treejumper]

^^ Who?

As for Jedi marrying, that is supposedly a rule of the Old Jedi Order, but probably 95% of the humans in the Old Jedi Order broke that rule. After all, it's pretty hard to be human without love. It's really part of the definition.

[Groddil]

@Sagetip

Which one's that?

Is it...

JEDI JAR-JAR?

[Wylder Treejumper]

No. It is...

[Hickory]

^^ Who?

As for Jedi marrying, that is supposedly a rule of the Old Jedi Order, but probably 95% of the humans in the Old Jedi Order broke that rule. After all, it's pretty hard to be human without love. It's really part of the definition.

Kyle Katarn, of course.